Franchises that refuse to give people what they want.

[GUTS]

The new Mana game sucks shit, so I was thinking of other franchises where they just flat out refuse to give people the type of game they want and instead keep making games that are nothing like the originals that made them famous.  A few came to mind-

Mana (of course)- Yeah the SNES version is antiquated shit now, but part 1 on GB and 3 on snes were good.  Why does square keep making these rogue style dungeon games that nobody likes?  Seriously if you're going to use an RPG genre that barely anyone still likes, at least make them first person dungeon RPGs like Wizardry so that I'll like them.  Rogue type games suck and only fat pasty nerds who use linux still play them.

Shining Force- Despite the fact that the newer Shining games are actually good (unlike the new mana games), people have been whining for a new strat-rpg Shining Force for almost a decade.  What's the hold up with Sega?  They can't possibly think a strat-rpg would sell any less than those diablo clones did, so why not give their dedicated fans what they want?  f*cking baffling.

Castlevania- The super metroid rip-offs are getting old, time for a good old fashioned action game on a real system (shitty portables like the PSP don't count).  Hell just port the Drac X psp remake to PS2, that'll work for now.

[Hobo Xiphas]

Shining Force- Despite the fact that the newer Shining games are actually good (unlike the new mana games), people have been whining for a new strat-rpg Shining Force for almost a decade.  What's the hold up with Sega?  They can't possibly think a strat-rpg would sell any less than those diablo clones did, so why not give their dedicated fans what they want?  f*cking baffling.

I came in this thread to post that but you beat me.

[FM-77]

You mean you think Shining Force Neo and/or Exa is good?

Anyway, you pretty much nailed it with that list. It's not quite complete though.

One word: Ys.

[Keranu]

I can't see how Secret of Mana is antiquated these days when it plays just as well as any 2D action RPG of today really.

I would add Final Fantasy and Zelda to this list.

[FM-77]

I would not. Final Fantasy and Zelda are two of the rare popular game series that keeps getting better and better by each release. Sales numbers are enough proof of this.

[offsidewing]

I don't know about you guys, but I can't believe MS is putting the Deep Blue Franchise on the xbox 360.  The Previous 6 Deep Blues have all sucked!

Deep Blue (TG-16) We've all seen this crap shump
Deep Blue - Eternal Deep (PCE-SCD) Thank Godness this was released the same week as LOT and forgotten.
Deep Blue - The Atlantis Saga (SS) - Wow, I could have swore this was just a release of the original with the same PSG music!  Ooo, six button control!!
Deep Blue - Resurrecting the Edmund Fitzgerald  (PSX) Wow.  A lame turn-based RPG that pretty much stole everything but the title from Wild Arms.  I'm glad this never came to America.
Deep Blue - Posiedon Tactics (PSX) - Sadly in the wake of the "tactics" games, this far miss made it to US soil.  If it wasn't for the Burger King kid's meal it came in, I'd never known they made this game.
Deep Blue - Neptune's Fury (PS2)  How do we make a miserable franchise worse after two failed cross overs?  Go back to the original foul tasting formula.  It's a better shit shooter because this time you're a mollusk!

What will the Xbox 360 version be like??  Anyone heard of the working title yet??

[nat]

I don't know about you guys, but I can't believe MS is putting the Deep Blue Franchise on the xbox 360.  The Previous 6 Deep Blues have all sucked!

  Nice.

[Necromancer]

What will the Xbox 360 version be like??  Anyone heard of the working title yet??

The official title will be Deep Blue Melange: That's Right Bitch, I Said Deep - Mother f*cking - Blue.  It's rumored that they will also include the previously unreleased Deep Blue vs. Ecco - Aquatic Rage originally for the Dreamcast.  This was clearly an attempt by Sega to revive one of their popular mascots, and was completed and ready for release.  Unfortunately it was canceled due to waning consumer interest in the Dreamcast and the falling popularity of 2D fighters.

[Black Tiger]

I would not. Final Fantasy and Zelda are two of the rare popular game series that keeps getting better and better by each release. Sales numbers are enough proof of this.

So by your logic, 50 Cent Bulletproof is gaming perfection? 

Some series that haven't turned out how I want:

Zelda
Metroid
Final Fantasy
Ys
Sonic
Contra
Tengai Makyou
Bomberman
Shining Force
Phantasy Star
Gradius
Megaman
Grandia
Lunar
Street Fighter(soon to be fixed?)
Virtua Fighter needs online play, even if its technically flawed...
Beat 'em ups like Final Fight...
RPG's in general...

...I guess it'd be easier to compile a short list of the few that aren't broken. 

[FM-77]

Not really, but I mean that Zelda and Final Fantasy are getting more popular by each release. And I've played them. They ARE better than their predecessors.

Gradius
Grandia

Shocking! I consider Grandia 1 and early Gradius games crap, but I absolutely LOVE Grandia 2-3 (3 in particular) as well as Gradius 5.

[GUTS]

The difference is that Zelda is basically the same game it's always been, there haven't been any radical departures since Zelda II (going 3D doesn't count since Ocarina still followed the same formula).  Same with FF up until XII, same stuff that fans love.

Phantasy Star is a good addition though, the online games were great but everybody wants a real turn-based RPG.

[Kitsunexus]

Star Fox and $onic.

[Hobo Xiphas]

Shocking! I consider Grandia 1 and early Gradius games crap, but I absolutely LOVE Grandia 2-3 (3 in particular) as well as Gradius 5.

You have an odd taste in Grandia games (but I haven't played 3 yet).  I agree with you about Gradius (especially Gradius 5).

[Keranu]

Star Fox and $onic.

Great choices! That new Star Fox for DS is pretty good, but I still want a traditional Star Fox game, damn it!

[Kitsunexus]

I only liked Star Fox Adventures.