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nat

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Dreamcast VGA question
« on: January 16, 2008, 05:00:49 PM »
So my brand new HiDef LCD has a VGA input and since I've been hearing nothing but rave reviews about the Dreamcast over VGA, I thought I'd do myself a favor and pick up a VGA cable for it.

So my question is... which one to get? Was there ever an "official" SEGA cable? There seem to be shitloads of different ones out there available and I'm wondering if there is a certain one I should look for or certain ones I want to avoid. I've seen some that also have an SVIDEO plug on the same cable but that's not really necessary for me.

Other questions...

I've heard some games aren't compatible with the VGA cable. Is there a list?

I've also heard some games can do 16:9. Is there a list?

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 05:19:03 PM »
Aw, f*ck, Bangai-O isn't compatible. I love that game.

That answers one question.... How about the rest?

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 05:19:15 PM »
I don't think the Dreamcast does 16:9.

I feel like there was an official sega VGA breakout box, but I can't find it anywhere.
(edit: Wikipedia claims there was a first party unit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast_VGA )

Theoretically, all VGA boxes should be the same; they simply connect the right pins and carry the VGA signal the DC produces. But as with any cable, there may be differences in manufacturing quality.

I can't speak from experience here, unfortunately.
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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 05:20:56 PM »
I don't think the Dreamcast does 16:9.

EDIT: OK, I found a list of 16:9 Dreamcast games over on SEGA-16 posted by our good man Joe Redifer. Unfortunately, there is only a handful and I don't even know if I'll ever own any of them. Most of them don't look that interesting.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2008, 05:27:24 PM by nat »

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 05:26:52 PM »
I think I may be wrong; a quick google has various people claiming a few games are 16:9. But, like I said, no personal experience.

Edit: http://www.hdtvpub.com/productdb/games/index.cfm?search=&Platform=DC&r169=yes&OrderBy=resolution&daStartRow=1&showRows=25&searched=do
A list of 16:9 games; click the 16:9 checkbox and press search.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2008, 05:36:10 PM by guyjin »
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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 05:32:00 PM »
I have one of these type. Works pretty good. I bought it from that dude too, haha. Mine is black though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-VGA-Cable_W0QQitemZ200192002884QQihZ010QQcategoryZ41053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 06:21:24 PM »
I would opt to have one with s-video and VGA out. Much better if you plan to use on a tv and play some titles that do not support VGA.

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 06:34:05 PM »
I heard the Spawn game and Heavy Metal: Geomatrix (which is one of the coolest names for a game ever) aren't compatible.

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 03:31:24 AM »
I would opt to have one with s-video and VGA out. Much better if you plan to use on a tv and play some titles that do not support VGA.

Exactly, just what I was thinking. Especially since Bangai-O, one of my favorites on the system, doesn't support the VGA.

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 04:19:37 AM »
I wonder how that works. I was under the impression that when the VGA pins were connected, that's all it put out.

I hope it works out for you nat - update us when you find out  :)
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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2008, 04:28:19 AM »
Will do.

But from what I understand, these cables that also have a SVIDEO plug are meant to address precisely that problem. You plug the DC end into the DC, the VGA end into your TV's VGA port and the SVIDEO into the TV's SVIDEO port.

I don't see any reason why the SVIDEO line can't just tap the pins on the port necessary for an SVIDEO signal alongside the VGA pins. It's like two cables in one.

So you can switch back and forth between, say, INPUT-3 and INPUT-4 on your TV depending on if your game will play in VGA or not.

That's the way I'm understanding it to work, anyway.

I'll give a full report once I get one hooked up.

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2008, 06:51:55 AM »
Ones supporting VGA and composite and s-video have  a toggle switch to use before you power the system up. It will let the DC know you need VGA or S-video.

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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2008, 03:35:34 PM »
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But from what I understand, these cables that also have a SVIDEO plug are meant to address precisely that problem. You plug the DC end into the DC, the VGA end into your TV's VGA port and the SVIDEO into the TV's SVIDEO port.


Well, not really. The DC is from 1998, and in 1998 there were virtually zero TVs with VGA ports on them. Usually only projectors.

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That's the way I'm understanding it to work, anyway.

The DC outputs whatever the VGA box was set to (either composite/s-video or VGA) when it was switched on. The DC knows what cable it has hooked to it. Remember the "Its thinking" ads? Its true. Its smart. Booting with a SCART cable in RGB is also a discrete mode. The BIOS screen will run in any mode, but beyond that it depends on the game. It can only run in one mode at a time though.

There was a Sega VGA box, not sold in the US. It was 5800 yen or something stupid like that, which is way too much since the VGA natively puts out VGA. Most of the circuitry is just for switching and such. There are a load of cheap Chinese boxes though. Some have headphone jacks, some dual headphone jacks. Some are really picky and won't run with certain displays. This is why I have more than one of them. The connectors are often junky too, which when combined with the DC's already dodgy multi-out port, game weirdness, and picky monitors makes diagnosing a no signal issue a pain the ass.

Once you have it running though...awesome. Completely.

Just so you are prepared, there are a lot of stupid things about the DC and its various video modes. Many many games do not support VGA, and for no good reason I can think of. Some games can actually be tricked into running in VGA by using boot discs like the Super Game Converter. Sometimes there will be minor graphical glitches when you do this, sometimes none. The US version of Street Fighter Alpha 3 will not run in RGB, but the EU version will. The first 2 games in the 4 game Sakura Wars Complete Box won't run in VGA, but the other 2 will.

The 16:9 modes aren't exactly like what you might expect. In VGA mode the DC always puts out 640x480, so when you run a game wide, like F355 for example, you will lose those lines of resolution needed to make the image wide. It just changes the shape of objects on screen so that when you stretch the image to a wide TV it won't look stretched. This was done with pre-DC systems too, like NiGHTS on Saturn, for example, since wide TVs were on sale in Japan in the early 90s. You'll have to use that mode that zooms in for letterboxed movies viewed from TV, or laserdisc...the one that only mattes 1 out of 50 movies correctly.

Now that I think about it, the 16:9 options may disappear from the option screen when the DC is booted in VGA mode. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they only work with interlaced signals.

Just so that are prepared, what you'll see on your LCD might not be the best the DC can do since LCD TVs tend to do a bad job at all sorts of slow-ass signal conversion for low/odd resolutions. Its either going to not even close to fill you screen, or it will be stretched. Hopefully you will be able to chose. It looks f*cking great on my CRT though, that's for sure.
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Re: Dreamcast VGA question
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 03:47:25 PM »
I'm fine with the black bars on the sides. I can set my TV in all sorts of modes: normal (for regular TV, with black bars on the sides), wide (for 16:9), cinema (some other widescreen mode), and zoom (makes a 4:3 signal fill the screen but cuts off the top and  bottom of the image).

I'm sure I can just set it to "normal" and it will be normal size with the margins blacked out.