Steve Jobs

[Tatsujin]

provokes!

[Joe Redifer]

God how I am beginning to hate that f*cker.  And I am a fairly loyal Mac user.  However I never jumped on to the iPod or iPhone bandwagon because I don't need a fancy phone and MiniDiscs still rule the earth.

[esteban]

I won't lie, I absolutely love my iPod Touch. It's my mp3 player and faux-netbook. Life is so much more fun without lugging my laptop around anymore. However, as a gaming (and application) platform, developers are not willing to sink tons of $$$ and time and energy into a project when basic, simple "casual" apps/games provide a safer return on investment. Maybe this will change in the far future, but certainly not anytime soon.

Hmmm, and we thought the crap:quality ratio was bad on the PSP and DS.

Quantity is not the metric that we, folks who love games, care about.

The depth and long-term immersion offered by many PSP and DS titles has yet to appear on the iPhone OS... and it will be interesting to see if developers for iPhone will be willing to go that route. I hope they do, but, I must admit, it doesn't look promising. Many genres (RPG's) are non-existent on the iPhone...

Maybe we will see more "traditional" PSP/DS titles ported to/tailored for the iPhone OS, but I fear we will continue to see a sea of shallow, short-attention-span games, with an occasional gem lurking about.

[Tatsujin]

I bet on my ass, when that slide showed up:



those stupid MAC followers applauded with big bluster!   

[Necromancer]

Steve Jobs should've stayed in retirement, as his bullshit tactics and outright lies are making Apple look more atrocious than even Microsoft in its tyrannical heyday.

No Multi-Touch user interface - Motion control and touch screens are little more than gimmicks and can't match the precision and tactile response of 'real' controls.

Games are expensive - As is Apple hardware, but people will gladly pay for more content, so what's your point?  Besides, only a fool would think that developers are going to invest the time and money to produce a full fledged game, and then turn around and sell it for peanuts at Apple's App Store (i.e. - real games cost real money).

No App Store - Grasp at straws much?  They may not share the same name, but the DSi Shop and PlayStation Store fulfill the same purpose as the Apple App Store.

No iPod - Another war of semantics here, as both the DSi and PSP are competent media players.

Die in a fire, you lying piece of shit.

[td741]

Steve Jobs should've stayed in retirement, as his bullshit tactics and outright lies are making Apple look more atrocious than even Microsoft in its tyrannical heyday.

Umm... Actually it was Phil Schiller (sp?) that said that, and not Steve Jobs. ;P

[Necromancer]

Umm... Actually it was Phil Schiller (sp?) that said that, and not Steve Jobs. ;P

Are you trying to tell me that some marketing hump is guiding the company's actions?  Apple's obtrusive ways extend beyond this single slide, and last I checked, Steve Jobs is still their CEO.

[ceti alpha]

Umm... Actually it was Phil Schiller (sp?) that said that, and not Steve Jobs. ;P

Are you trying to tell me that some marketing hump is guiding the company's actions?  Apple's obtrusive ways extend beyond this single slide, and last I checked, Steve Jobs is still their CEO.

Agreed. Jobs is absurd. The iPhone is already outclassed by Samsung, Nokia, LG, etc. And if you've ever tried using the iPhone for gaming you'll know that it sucks for that purpose. Playing a platformer or shootie like Galaga with touchscreen controls is a god-awful experience. And I keep getting text messages from a friend who has an iPhone, but I can never understand what he's saying because the iPhone's keyboard interface is a P.O.S. (i.e. I dance yer time in pool. = Want to catch a movie tonight?)

I appreciate that Apple makes quality hardware, but I just can't stand the self-righteousness of Steve Jobs and his claims that the Apple experience is something next to nirvana. Windows XP still suits me fine. hehe

[Arkhan]

Of those 21,000 entertainment titles on the crApp store, how many are quality titles?

I doubt any games on there can compete with Dracula X, the Yuna/Sapphire pack, or the RPGs on the PSP

or the anime cutesy amazing games on the DS like My World My Way, The Worlds Ends Here, the castlevanias etc.

Apple hardware is expensive, its not the quality they claim (my macbook DVD drive, and battery died in <3 months.... my iMac screen went apeshit...... ), and its not the best thing ever.

Id take a Win98se powerhouse w/ AOL, properly configured DOS memory management, FastTracker II, Paintshop Pro 7, and my stash of 90s PC games any day.  At least if something breaks I can dig in a box and replace the card without paying out the ass for another overpriced card. 

Going to the mac store is like walking into an elitist country club full of guys that barely know what they are talking about.

At least, around here it is.



so,I usually go in and start playing Jump by van halen on the music setup.   It ruins their day since THEY CANT GET IT OUT OF THEIR HEADS

[Joe Redifer]

those stupid MAC followers applauded with big bluster!  

No, Iphone and Apple followers, not necessarily Mac people.  Macs aren't even their primary market any more.  I am a mac person (who also owns a PC), though I am a Mac "user" and not a "follower".  Followers belong in cults.  I personally think Apple needs to do away with the super-elitist commercials as it makes the company as a whole look really bad.  Just because I use a Mac doesn't mean I wander the streets and comment about how much PCs crash and the such.  Phuggin' Apple.

I also hate Apple Stores.  What I REALLY hate are the "geniuses".  They hire just about anybody, they don't even need to be a real, certified genius.  Just talk to them and you'll see.  Plus their store layout is a bitch and their employees also seem very elitist.

[blueraven]

I run Linux primarily, but I also have an XP tower and a vista work machine.

I'm not a fan of Mac's in general, but I think the iPhone is the greatest hand-held device I have ever owned. It's a freaking tricorder from Star Trek.

After over 2 years with my 8GB original; I see having another communication device impossible.

Dammit Jim, I'm an iPhone not a Mac user!

[esteban]

These are general counter-points, I just happened to pick ceti's post for convenience

Agreed. Jobs is absurd. The iPhone is already outclassed by Samsung, Nokia, LG, etc. And if you've ever tried using the iPhone for gaming you'll know that it sucks for that purpose. Playing a platformer or shootie like Galaga with touchscreen controls is a god-awful experience. And I keep getting text messages from a friend who has an iPhone, but I can never understand what he's saying because the iPhone's keyboard interface is a P.O.S. (i.e. I dance yer time in pool. = Want to catch a movie tonight?)

I appreciate that Apple makes quality hardware, but I just can't stand the self-righteousness of Steve Jobs and his claims that the Apple experience is something next to nirvana. Windows XP still suits me fine. hehe

The iPhone / iPod Touch is great for certain games that play to the strengths of the iPhone. Word Fu, for example, is absolutely awesome, and without the no-lag touch screen, this game would flat out suck (even with a mouse). There are tons of awesome games that brilliantly incorporate the touch screen.

Unfortunately, for games that need a direction pad / joystick, the iPhone can never satisfy.

As for the touchscreen keyboard = it rocks. I'm just as fast and accurate on the virtual keyboard as I am on my wife's Blackberry. But, I must say, it is much more pleasant to use the touchscreen, because it is less work (I don't have to physically press the button). I know some folks love the real keyboard, but I don't miss it at all.

In fact, if you've sat next to folks who CLICKETY-CLACK on their Blackberry, you know how annoying they can be for others. I feel bad for folks who suffer through my own CLICKETY-CLACK when I used my phone.

Did I mention that I edit html/css files and upload/download them via an editor/FTP app on my iPod? That's awesome. I have so much fun with my iPod that it is ridiculous.

And, if I could keep Verizon, I would gladly get an iPhone. Maybe when iPhones are available with Verizon, I'll splurge. Until them, my iPod Touch is the greatest gadget, ever. It's like my goddamn second child.

Also, I just want to say that PSP and DS are TOO BULKY for me on my commute. When I'm not writing or reading or listening to stuff on my iPod, I'm happy to play some games on it, even if Raiden won't be one of them.

I don't represent the average gamer, though. I have only a passing interest for most stuff on PSP and DS, especially considering the prices. Personally, I prefer console games to satisfy my gaming appetite--the portable games are just a temporary fix when I'm commuting.

I feel sorry for all the folks who haven't experienced the joy of these gadgets from Apple. They are fun.

[Arkhan]

All of the genius sales folk in the applestore by me are ...to put it bluntly: asshats.

One told me I wouldn't be able to do any C programming on one without a software package and extensive updates.  What he meant was, I wouldnt be able to use XCode and its horrible mess of an interface.  GCC comes stock on a macbook.  I don't need some cracked out mess of a software suite to write crap that gets run in Terminal....

they told me ubuntu runs best on macs because "macs work", or whatever that stupid phrase is.   I replied with "oh thats nice, f*ck Ubuntu.  i use Fedora"---->Reply---->"Oh, you can only use real Linux installs with mac"

"Fedora is part of redhat, how much more real did you want to get man"--->Reply--->"Oh im not familiar with Redhat"     

then there were all the times id ask questions and get "uhhhhhhh" and "hang on". 

They are all hipster coffee house douchebags that use their macs to blog, pretend theyre artists in photoshop, and play WoW since its the only new game the mac can run that has any ounce of entertainment to it.

I actually LIKE macs, and OSX.  I just hate their marketing scheme and their mindset.  My Windows 7 (omg win7) machine hasnt froze and its been turned on for 3 months running games. 

Them saying Mac can replace PC is about as uneducated with computers as you can get.

though, Mac and PC is a stupid way to look at it anyways.  theyre all PCs.  Ones just all in-house and not IBM compatible so they decided to separate themselves.

dopes.



Apple should just cut the bullshit marketing, stop convincing their customers that theyre part of some zen computing experience, and get with the times.

[Necromancer]

Why can I get a Mac Pro with dual W5570s (roughly $1000 each), yet the top graphics card option is a lowly gt120?  I take it that 'pro' is most certainly not short for professional. 

[Joe Redifer]

They are all hipster coffee house douchebags that use their macs to blog, pretend theyre artists in photoshop, and play WoW since its the only new game the mac can run that has any ounce of entertainment to it.

I take extreme offense to this statement.  To insinuate that WoW has any quality aspects really makes my blood boil!

Why can I get a Mac Pro with dual W5570s (roughly $1000 each), yet the top graphics card option is a lowly gt120?

For gaming I take it that card probably sucks.  But Macs can't play games, so they don't need higher-spec cards.  Is there any reason why you couldn't get the cheapest, shittiest card and replace it with one of your choice?  It is called "Pro" because professionals do not play games.  They work.  Macs cannot run games, hence they can only work (and download porn).