Pier Solar may be released soon?!?

[Arkhan]

How hilarious would that shit be, seriously. 

it would be even funnier if he had no idea what we had just done.

[Emerald Rocker]

It's funny how certain crybabies whine so much about "homebrew never gets support" and "homebrew doesn't get love" -- as though it's a crime to show the least bit of pessimism -- and then go around insulting other homebrewers.

Arkhan: "Hey guys look at the Pier Solar preorder disaster hur hur hur.  By the way, you'd better not insult Mysterious Dong because that would be a deathblow to the entire Turbo homebrew industry.  Implode rulez, Genesis homebrew RPG droolz.  Homebrewers need our unconditional love and support!  Well, not that Cobb guy.  Noone.... NOONE"

Rover: "Those Genesis guys actually release games.  I hate them."

[Arkhan]

Yay Emerald, right on schedule.

You're putting words in my mouth.  Theres a difference between complaining that a pre-order thing was handled poorly but still having high hopes and expectations of the game.....    and bashing one just because you don't like the person involved and have some kind of irritating vendetta against the person.  The mysterious song ordeal went above and beyond plain complaining.

I like the Sega RPG homebrews.  Star Odyssey especially.  I'm actually jealous that the Genesis has gotten so many well put together games.  I've said that numerous times now.  It's even been published in a magazine now.

I'm looking forward to Pier Solar, and think it sucks that the game got hyped/delayed/repeat so many times that people kind of became leery about the whole thing... and as it stands now, there isn't enough for everybody, so people who didn't take the leap of faith will be missing out for the time being.  Lunar's one of my favorites, so a game obviously inspired by it is <3 for me.  Here's to hoping for a second run.  I am pretty sure Pier Solar is going to take the current bar for homebrew RPGs, and uppercut it to the moon.  Games going to kick more ass than Segal, Van Damme, and Norris combined.

ANYWAY

Beggar Prince has bugs that potentially ruin your playthrough.  That's fine.  Mistakes happen.  They fixed them eventually... but people who were pre-fix got hosed. 

Cobb isn't a homebrewer.  Hes a guy publishing peoples work and being a severe mook about it.  Thats my problem.  If you're going to wave your dick around like you're the king, you better have your shit together.  You can't go approaching homebrewers asking to publish their games, act like you're the messiah, and the best ever at it..... when you do things like:

Releasing games with bugs (despite saying they were debugged, reprogrammed and prepared for public release). It is bad mojo.  Fixing it is good mojo, unless of course you don't even offer some sort of discount/fix for people who already bought the buggy one.  Bad customer support, yeah?

Releasing games in crapass cases when you're saying they're of high quality.  High quality shouldn't crack/shatter as easily as the Wukong case.

...and

Making outlandish claims like "We're bringing another first! Japanese partnership!".  It's simply not true.  What was the other "first"?  Publishing a game?  I don't think they hold the claim to publishing the first homebrew.  That's just stupidity if that's what their "first" was.  Claiming stuff doesn't make it true.  Maybe he means they were the first to turn it into an overplayed mess.  Something as simple, and cool as releasing homebrew for old consoles has been turned into a popped collar affair over at SFT. 

Cobb's not a very humble guy, and seems to have convinced himself that hes 2legit2quit, etc. etc., basically implying in conversations that if SFT isn't the one doing it, it's not going to be done right. Except so far, the quality of his publications haven't been so great.   The games themselves are great.  It's like a gem shoved into a pile of shit though. 

Once you swap out the case for a real one, and ignore the fact that SFT was involved, it starts to get better.

BTW I dunno if Mysterious Dong was intentional, or a typo, but i LOLed either way.

[Mathius]

Maybe with WateMelon's publication/development of Pier Solar 'ol Cobbwebbie will be humbled a bit. It's easy to say you're the best at something in a nearly empty room, but when that room starts to fill up chances are someone there will 1-up you.

[nodtveidt]

Announcement:  Pier Solar has nothing to do with Super Fighter Team.  There is an eBay auction or two, however, that says otherwise.  Watermelon is releasing the game themselves.

Awesome. Who'd they get to manufacture the carts?

[Arkhan]

Maybe with WateMelon's publication/development of Pier Solar 'ol Cobbwebbie will be humbled a bit. It's easy to say you're the best at something in a nearly empty room, but when that room starts to fill up chances are someone there will 1-up you.

True dat.  I don't think any of the other publishers have much interest in turning things into a business-style thing.  Everyone else, including myself, seems comfortable with it being a casual/laidback/f*ckyeah sort of thing.

[nodtveidt]

Though there's nothing wrong with approaching it from a business point of view... some companies are just plain arrogant and proud of it. I hope SFT chokes on their own vomit.

Well, now that I know that Pier Solar has nothing to do with SFT, I'll be looking forward to snagging a copy of my own. Now, someone sell me a Genesis.

[Arkhan]

arrogant.  Thats the word I couldnt think of.

i hope Pier Solar's launch de-thrones the cobbweb for sure though.   Maybe it will give them the message that they're not the only frigging people publishing homebrew.  Cause apparently they've never seen any MSX, NES or 2600 releases.

Or C64..... 

if they dont look, it doesnt exist, maybe?

[nodtveidt]

Yes, the old monsters-in-the-closet defense.

[Joe Redifer]

According to someone on the Pier Solar forum who has received his copy, the game is packaged like this:





Interesting.  The box is supposedly high quality cardboard (better than Sega's cardboard used for the late US games).  I guess it also comes with an apology letter.  Not an apology for the game sucking, but for being so ridiculously delayed.

[Arkhan]

And thus, the cobbweb begins to fall wither away.


<3  f*ck yeah.   Vacuum sealed box, sweet looking case and shit, and a were sorry we done goofed letter.    Sweet

[nodtveidt]

Ooh, looks nice, all official-looking and whatnot. 64 MEGA POWA!

[Necromancer]

Man, that does look nice.  Almost makes me wish I had a Genny.

[Emerald Rocker]

Theres a difference between complaining that a pre-order thing was handled poorly but still having high hopes and expectations of the game.....    and bashing one just because you don't like the person involved and have some kind of irritating vendetta against the person.  The mysterious song ordeal went above and beyond plain complaining.

Pick your favorite response from the below -- they're all applicable!

* Did it?  Most of my comments were about missing preorder dates or failing to provide promised refunds. 30% of people said I had "gone too far" and 70% said I had a good point.  Those odds are in my favor.
* Did it?  I don't recall insulting Frozen Utopia's other works-in-progress -- after all, I know nothing about them.  If Mysterious Song looked like it would actually be a good game, then there would be no "ordeal".  Regardless of how I feel about one particular individual, my "irritating vendetta" has always revolved around Mysterious Song.
* Did it?  The "ordeal" started on GameFAQs.  It was brought here by a member of Frozen Utopia, not by me.

My point is that a couple people who claim to be "pro-homebrew" and decried my complaints as "anti-homebrew" and "this is why people just give up"... are bashing someone because they don't like him (shock!), and they're even bashing other projects under the assumption that said unlikable person is connected.  And then, when they find out Cobb isn't connected to Pier Solar, they suddenly support the project?  What's up with that?  If it were revealed tomorrow that superman rockstar Stan Bush is the true secret programmer behind Mysterious Song and Rover has nothing to do with it, then I'd still think that particular game looks bad.

The problem that can come from preording is, people do the preorder hype/dick waving before they're ready, and make a giant disaster because the hype reaches its peak, and then falls down... with no game in sight still.  Its like getting a blowjob and having the chick walk away 10 seconds before launch.

[Arkhan]

Uh, I have been pro Pier Solar the whole time?  I knew it wasn't SFT's publication.  I thought that was clear from the DigitPress days when they were showing their cartridges in use.  Its even more apparent since SFT makes no mention of the game on their site.

I was pro-pier solar like 2 years ago too when people were bitching on IRC that it wasn't going to be downloadable.  That doesn't change the fact that I think they dicked up the pre-order stuff.  They themselves must agree, as they were legit enough to include apology letters.  So, *shrug*.

You should re-read what I said about SFT.  Its nothing personal.  I don't know the guy on a personal level.  It's all complaints about actual things that have occurred.  It could be ANY person in his position acting like that.  Maybe the guy is alright when hes not pushing his SFT nonsense the way he does.  Like I said already: releasing buggy games with crappy cases, and making incorrect claims with a "my shit dont stink" attitude the entire time, is pretty decent grounds for complaint.  His track record doesn't match his arrogant claims at being the best.

I never directly bashed the Sega games either.  Yeah the Beggar Prince bug sucked ass, but the games still good.  So is Wukong, and Star Odyssey.  Its not the Beggar Prince teams fault the bugfix was handled poorly.  I myself, if I were the one doing the rom burning, would have totally offered for people to send theirs in to get fixed.  Kinda like how C64 cartridge people usually let you send in for updates, or offer discounts on the updated roms.

In that big mess about MSR, you did at one point admit/imply you had a problem with rover, and you do make obvious attempts to troll him on here.  Also, the ordeal on Gamefaqs was still you.  So it sure seems like most of the time you're just razzing Rover because its Rover.  You even made comments about other games before.  I believe you ended up deleting them.   FU dicked up the preorder stuff too, and received a hard time for it for the wrong reasons.  It went beyond the normal realm of complaint.  Don't forget, most of the complainers didn't realize you could see updates on FU's site.  There are sites for homebrew people.  It doesn't all go down on forums. . 

What I want to know is why you didn't ride the Pier Solar teams ass like you did with MSR.  I don't recall you bashing demos of Pier Solar that had stand-in artwork, or making lame attempts to troll whenever you possibly could.