Pier Solar may be released soon?!?

[Arkhan]

Kinda blows it doesn't come with the enhanced CD considering pressing ajillion CDs is f*ck-all easy to do...   they should have over-run the CDs if they'd planned on doing more cartridges.   

500 CDs was like, 600$. 
1000 CDs was like, 900$ where I went....

Id assume whoever is pressing theres could've done something similar.

I ordered it, since at least its a definite purchase this time.  No ifs/buts/sorry for the delays we swear we're making a game over here.

I wouldn't mind a copy of the CD too if someone would be so kind.  maybe with scans of the disc art, and packaging art.

Oh well.    Everyone lives and learns.  If they do another game, maybe they won't goon up the production part

[nikdog]

Thats the cart label.

Box art.

It's the wire grid on the label that I don't like.

They are also kind of being elitist a$$holes on their forms about the whole reprint thing. "You guys don't deserve the CD or the fancy box art because you didn't wait 6 years and pre-order in 2008 etc etc etc"

[Arkhan]

They are also kind of being elitist a$$holes on their forms about the whole reprint thing. "You guys don't deserve the CD or the fancy box art because you didn't wait 6 years and pre-order in 2008 etc etc etc"

*note, all quotes here are from Pier Solar team members

"If you want the audio disc, go back in time and pre-order the first edition or just head over to eBay and cough up the cash."

Sorry that's some horse shit right there.  Apparently, the lack of the CD in run #2 was kept under wraps, like most of the news about the game during its development.   So people that held off for print 2 got hosed.
I know for a fact pressing a shit load of CDs is no problem.  Pressing houses ENCOURAGE you to press a ton, as opposed to a little.  Its easier for them.  Dicking off with the process for a low run isn't as great for them.

"CD do not fit easily the plastic cases and its too complex to produce."
Lol.  You can put a CD in a paper sleeve and stick it in a sega box.  I just did it right here with the Insanity soundtrack disc.  Oh, they even fit in the cardboard boxes.  Castlevania Bloodlines and Altered Beast were used to test this.   So, its easy to press CDs, and they fit in the boxes.  I don't get it.  What is the problem.

Why is run #2 more expensive than run #1, and comes with less things?  That makes no sense.  Is this them trying to compensate for losing $$ since stuff was hocked onto eBay for rediculous amounts? 

Thats what happens when you don't produce enough the first time.   desperation and demand = eBay hilarity.  I'm sure given their tone, saying "thats what we should have charged for the game" , they're really pissed off that they pulled what 35$ a copy for the game and then take out mfg costs and dividing it between the entire team...., and it's going on eBay for WAY MORE. 

They should have kept up with demand.  If you know you're selling at least the preorders (since you already have the $$), and you know more than the preorderers want the game....... MAKE MORE THAN YOU NEED. Duh.

Apparently they have the means to produce more, so why not just do it all the first time instead of doing "preorders only, take the leap of faith, we swear a games being made, its coming".  They knew they didn't have enough the first time, but planned on a second run?  Uhhhhhhhhhhh.  Its like forward thinking, without actually doing it.

Its kind of common sense, people are leery about giving money to people they don't know and then basically being told wait a bunch of years, itll get made.  Abandoned projects are all over the place.  People are cautious.


Its like they treat the preorder people as actual deserving fans, and the rest of the people as pissants that don't actually matter.

[nikdog]

I just hope we can get the same treatment the first time buyers got. I want the fancy packaging and poster.
Art book plz

I honestly don't think you guys deserve it. You guys didn't wait 6 years for the game.
You also didn't invest your money to make the games production possible.

This honestly the opinion for almost everybody on the forums. If you pre-ordered you think that anyone who didn't doesn't deserve the full game. If you waited like Arkhan and I because:

22:46:43 Arkhan: i wasnt gonna give [them] $30 for an unsure thing
22:46:51 Nik: i know
22:46:59 Nik: which is why i never got to it
22:47:21 Nik: i kept thinking, "i've got better things to spend $30 on"
22:47:25 Arkhan: yeah me too
22:47:30 Arkhan: i bought f*cking sweet pants

You are left out in the dust, being made to pay more for less or nothing at all. I'm sorry we were skeptical in an actual release of anything, but that doesn't mean you can treat the people who waited to buy at release like shit.

Good thing I got a pre-order edition, then!

Yeah. Your two years of waiting paid off in the end, I hope.

Not if you were expecting the same package. -.- Ugh.

This poor guy was waiting for the release, but has also been screwed.

 "If you want the audio disc, go back in time and pre-order the first edition or just head over to eBay and cough up the cash. A LOT of things happened during the two years of pre-orders. People paid their price of waiting so long with their money on our account. Now, the game is released and you can safely get a copy of the new run in February, but the price is higher. The exclusion of the enhanced soundtrack disc has many reasons, but some things must be kept confidential for the company." -Zebbe, Game Designer

"If you guys didn't keep all this top secret I'd understand, I could have ordered the Japanese and European versions when I found out, but I thought it would be in the 2nd run like it should be. You shouldn't be so secretive and leave customers in the dark, thats how you lose trust. Just advice for the future." -Aaron, Poor Guy Screwed because he waited.

[Arkhan]

I can see the buy at releasers missing out on the poster, or some other little freebie gimmick, like how I did those lightscribe soundtracks....

but to give them less of a game, and charge more, thats just retarded. 

[Joe Redifer]

I think that comment that you quoted, Arkhan, is supposed to be a joke.  Watermelon doesn't mind if you copy the CD and use it with the reprint.  In fact, reports are that CD-Rs are working a bit more reliably than the pressed disc.  WM claims the issue is with faulty CD lasers, but I think they just had a bad pressing that makes it kind of hard for some units to read well.  They've been getting inundated with complaints on the issue and CD-Rs are usually the solution.  I'll be happy to make a copy of the disc and upload an ISO or whatever.  The game is exactly the same.  There is no "less game".  I like the clamshell and the black grid design.

If the packaging was the same as the original run, people who pre-ordered and waited years would bitch and whine like you guys are doing now.  Watermelon simply cannot win.  Hell, I may just buy myself a reprint as well.  At least you're getting the game.  It's no more expensive than Super Fighter Team's games, includes more and is a better game than anything they've released thus far.  But please, continue to feel the victim.

FYI the original run of Pier Solar was over 2400 copies. 800 for each "region" design.

[nikdog]

At this point I don't care about the CD as much. I just want regioned art and a colour manual.

[Joe Redifer]

I can't believe the art and manual matter so much.  They are nice to have but by no means a deal-breaker.  Give people more options and they complain when some are taken away.  Don't give people any options (like SFT) and people never complain.

[Duo_R]

I just care about the game. Hopefully someone copies one for me soon and I will make a nice label for it.

[nikdog]

It's just part of the gaming experience for me

[Arkhan]

I think that comment that you quoted, Arkhan, is supposed to be a joke.  Watermelon doesn't mind if you copy the CD and use it with the reprint.  In fact, reports are that CD-Rs are working a bit more reliably than the pressed disc.  WM claims the issue is with faulty CD lasers, but I think they just had a bad pressing that makes it kind of hard for some units to read well.  They've been getting inundated with complaints on the issue and CD-Rs are usually the solution.  I'll be happy to make a copy of the disc and upload an ISO or whatever.  The game is exactly the same.  There is no "less game".  I like the clamshell and the black grid design.

Given the tone of everything else thats been said, I don't really know.  It sounds like they wanted to be verbally pleasured all around upon release and are getting crabby about the displeased feelings and problems people are having.

As for less game, "enhanced CD" being omitted = less game to me, especially since it costs an extra like 10$ to get print #2.... I don't mind the sticker difference, but the b/w manual kinda blows.  Maybe I'll color mine myself.

I still don't get the "its hard to make CDs" and "its hard to put them in cases" part.  Its not hard to do either of these things.

If the packaging was the same as the original run, people who pre-ordered and waited years would bitch and whine like you guys are doing now.  Watermelon simply cannot win.  Hell, I may just buy myself a reprint as well.  At least you're getting the game.  It's no more expensive than Super Fighter Team's games, includes more and is a better game than anything they've released thus far.  But please, continue to feel the victim.

But, I don't see how throwing the 35$ up and waiting for years for what may have possibly been a disaster/unfinished project entitles those people to entirely different packaging and the "you shoulda preordered, you didnt so you don't deserve it" attitude.  I can see the free poster gimmick and crap like that for the preorderers.....  and maybe the lack of a CD for second prints as another kickass bonus... but thats still a stretch.

If they had said WHEN WE DO A SECOND RUN WE WILL BE DOING DIFFERENT PACKAGING/CRAP, AND NO MORE CD'S... that would have been a nice heads up to people holding out for a sure thing, and maybe would've helped people decide better.

straight up changing the labeling and everything seems like more work really. same for the color manual, etc.  Adding more to the first wave of printing seems like it would have been a much simpler process.  Overshoot the initial wave, and have enough for a second run later.....

FYI the original run of Pier Solar was over 2400 copies. 800 for each "region" design.

So they couldn't spring for 600 more CDs to go to an even 3000 and have spares to either give out with the second print, or to sell off separately at some point in the future?  Where I pressed CDs, going from that kind of amount to 3000 would've cost like no more than like 300$.... and it would result in less complaining.

Still confused as to how they decided on charging more for the second print and offer an inferior package.  Really strange.  Maybe the first run was costly, they didn't make enough $$ and found a different method for run 2 thats faster/cheaper/gets them some $$ since theyre probably mad the games going on ebay for insane prices? I dunno.

It seems like a last minute solution to shut up everyone who missed out.   Like they weren't planning on doing any more prints or something

[nodtveidt]

I think I'd still buy it, even at the higher price and sans CD. Although, I personally would have felt much more confident if the game had been on CD to begin with, rather than a cart... the overall price would have been lower, and they could have really made great use of the extra capabilities of the Mega CD hardware. The game looks like it really does some good things with the original hardware, but you do eventually reach some ceilings that the additional hardware can help get past. Doing additional runs as a CD would have been a hell of a lot easier as well, and would alleviate a lot of the drama currently going on with the 2nd run. Just my 2c.

[Arkhan]

yeah, I agree it would've been cooler/easier to just do a CD game from the get go.  CD homebrew is super-easy to make!  So easy an obnoxious 21 year old assclown can do it!   


I bought run #2, I just think its kinda shitty how run #2 turned out. 

[BlueBMW]

I just ordered one of these second print copies.... anyone care to share the enhanced CD iso or MP3 files?

[nikdog]

I just ordered one of these second print copies.... anyone care to share the enhanced CD iso or MP3 files?

I think as people actually get the first print it's gonna pop up all over.