My point is that times change, offers change, and there are a lot of ways to look at things. The people who supported Pier Solar from the start got a better deal. Did the people who supported Insanity from the start get a better deal?
No, the people who paid for Insanity preorders got a CD and a scribble on the case, kinda like when you preorder a game at gamestop and get some goony meaningless little doodad to stick on a shelf, as incentive to help out. Its like a nice little gesture. "Hey you helped get things rolling, heres a light scribed soundtrack!"
Arkhan's complaints sound like sour grapes, just as it would sound like sour grapes if I were seriously complaining about having paid money for Insanity. Every game eventually goes down in price; if I'm bitter about anything, it's about spending $60 on Tekken 6.
Nah its not really sour grapes, its more like "wtf!". The CD was the big centerpiece of the games bragging, and the second print doesn't have it, and it costs more. Its kinda rare for a game to go UP in price on the second print, especially since it comes with less stuff. If the second print cost the same, (seeing as it costs less to print run 2), and wasn't all fancy, no big deal. I don't think there'd be alot of pissing and moaning.
Since we're now pretty aware the CD is borked, I can see why it isn't coming. I still wouldn't mind having a borked CD just to look at. I bet the art looks nice on the disc. So print 2's lack of CD isn't really a huge miss-out for anyone. We miss out on a broken CD. I think EVERYONE might as well piss and moan about that part, even the developers. They should seriously give the pressing house hell. It sounds like a shitty press. Wasn't it pressed in China? That would explain alot.
30 for a guy's first homebrew Turbo game, I'm cool with that. 35, 45, or even 60 for a homebrew Genesis cart -- I'm cool with that, too. What I'm not cool with is being called "anti-homebrew" and then reading the stuff I'm reading in this thread.
Nah you havent been called anti homebrew, just anti PCE homebrew for whatever reason... unless you troll all the homebrew scenes the same way, lol.
Remember your 8pack mega shooter thread?
hah.
Arkhan, I can understand being skeptical about something after years of delay. But now you know Pier Solar exists and now you know that you'll get yours, so how about letting the copies get out the door before you complain? Look at your posts -- is this what you would want to read about your own games, especially if you had lost money on the project? Communication is great, but would you really feel like you owed an explanation to people who hadn't ponied up for a pre-order?
Its got nothing to do with the game itself. I bet the game rules. Its the packaging/delivery of everything. I wouldn't want to read this about my stuff, so that's why I'd make sure it doesn't happen. I'm too OCD/careful about that crap. I tested a bunch of the arrived Insanity discs out on 3 different machines and emulators to make sure it worked. I just randomly grabbed ones from various boxes that they arrived in to make sure the pressing went right.
I beat the game myself before I shipped any out.
If there was this much dissent, yeah, I would owe an explanation. That's how it works. You don't leave the potential players of the game in the dark just because they didn't fork out preorder money first. Every potential players opinion matters, even if its not positive. They'd deserve straight answers as to what the hells going on, and why its going on. If you're not doing it for the players of the game, who the hell are you doing it for? If its for yourself, you wouldn't make 2400 copies and send them to people.
Whats going on with PS, is a bunch of conflicting/sketchy statements from various team members. If it were me, I'd just come out and explain the lack of CD even if its me admitting I f*cked up (Or, the pressing house, as the case may be), and explaining why the second print isn't as fancy, and why the cost went up. There has to be SOME sort of explanation, so what is it?
"You didn't pay for the preorder, so tough shit, go get a time machine", is not an explanation. its rude dismissal of the problem.
Id prefer
"The CD is broken, so we aren't doing that again. Maybe we'll get the CD repressed and offer it in the future. The first print was too costly since it was fancy looking. We lost personal funds in the process, so we are doing a cheaper second run that is standard, rather than over the top quality. The price increase is to help recuperate, and its still on par with every other genesis homebrew"
or something, over
"YOU DONT DESERVE ANYTHING. YOURE LUCKY WERE EVEN DOING PRINT 2. IF YOU WANT THE FANCY ONE, GO ON EBAY , THATS WHAT YOU SHOULDA PAID. GET A TIME MACHINE, GO PREORDER IT. STOP WHINING"
It wouldn't take much to clear the air.
