Playstation Network PWNED

[TheOldMan]

LOL Sony may take a (HEAVY) hit....but it's naive to think this will make them disappear.

Not overnight, no.

But they have lost a -lot- of good feelings over this, and if something -should- actually start happening with those stolen numbers, people are going to desert Sony like rats leaving a drowning ship.
I don't do on-line buys and stuff for just this kind of reason. Offer me a free month of your service ? No way that makes up for me spending 12 months trying to get my identity back. And that's if I'm lucky. So, no matter -what- they offer, people are gonna think twice from now on about buying anything Sony....

[I bet management really regrets removing the "other os" option now ]

[guyjin]

it's hard to predict how gamers might react to this sort of scandal; we've never had game consoles networked on this level, so this is new ground. The last big scandal in videogaming caused some congressional hearings, and created the current videogame rating system, but it didn't put anyone out of business.

There have already been lawsuits about this PSN business, and there may eventually be congressional hearings about it, but I suspect that game console networking is going to be around for the forseeable future. And, darn it to heck, sony will probably survive.

[TheOldMan]

There have already been lawsuits about this PSN business

And there are definately going to be more. Latest news is they got hacked because they were running an old (and I mean year+) version of apache. Sounds like 'failure to reasonably protect' that information....
I'm not a lawyer, but I wouldn't be surprised to see sony facing both civil and criminal charges over this one....

And, darn it to heck, sony will probably survive.

Dunno about that. I keep thinking about Pabst beer, when they changed the formula. They were "too big to fail", but where are they now In any case, when the lawsuits really get going, their stock price is gonna drop; that means they won't have the capital to invest in the next generation, so they'll -probably- fall behind. See where that's going?

I seriously think sony's management screwed up with removing the other-os option. They were afraid of the hypervisor being hacked via linux, but ended up starting a sh*t storm. They should have recognized nothing good could come from removing promised options. And even if they manage to survive, I doubt they will be a player in the video game field. <sigh>

[sunteam_paul]

SOE has also been hit by this, and their reputation was pretty poor to begin with (to put it mildly). Their MMO dept could suffer some severe casualties in the fallout of all this.

[Digi.k]

SOE has also been hit by this, and their reputation was pretty poor to begin with (to put it mildly). Their MMO dept could suffer some severe casualties in the fallout of all this.

yup in the daily free newspaper we get here it was reported that their security measures were last updated in 2007

[Arkhan]

SOE has also been hit by this, and their reputation was pretty poor to begin with (to put it mildly). Their MMO dept could suffer some severe casualties in the fallout of all this.

its ok the MMOs they have suck anyways.

[Necromancer]

its ok the MMOs they have suck anyways.

Googlerin the comptents - you'll see!

[Arkhan]

its ok the MMOs they have suck anyways.

Googlerin the comptents - you'll see!

OGM I KNOE, I NED TO GOEGAL THE REVEWS.

[sunteam_paul]

SOE has also been hit by this, and their reputation was pretty poor to begin with (to put it mildly). Their MMO dept could suffer some severe casualties in the fallout of all this.

its ok the MMOs they have suck anyways.

This is true.

[TheOldMan]

Update:

Sony's Shigenori Yoshida said that the company was uncertain when services would be fully functional  but that a 'plan to restart  the services' on May 31st was still in place.

Read more: http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/psn-will-be-out-until-may-31st-earliest/#ixzz1Ls9STtls

Still think sony can survive this, especially in the gaming world? Not being able to play games you -bought and paid for- for over a month is definately gonna cause problems. And remember, a lot of the newer games won't even play single player without connecting to psn.

[Necromancer]

Still think sony can survive this, especially in the gaming world?

Yep, just like MS survived RROD; people have short memories and most will be appeased when Sony gives 'em a free game or something.  Besides, what options do people have - buy a 360 and pay for online gaming, abandon HD and go with a Wii, switch to PC, or stop playing games all together?  None of those options sounds too grand just because you can't play online for a few weeks.

[TheOldMan]

I understand where you're coming from, but I really think there's more to it then you say. Like a lot of people I know, I bought a ps3 -because- I could develop games on it. A year later, sony takes it away. I don't play on-line (and that's a concious choice), but since they started introducing games where you have to go on-line to play, I refuse to buy them. And now, with the network breech disclosing information I *would be required* to provide to play newer games, I'm sorry -- I will probably never buy a sony video game console or game ever again.

As for the 360, yeah Microsoft is hated by one and all. Not just for the RROD problems, or even the charges for the Xbox network games (though from what I've been told, you aren't -forced- to pay for their network; it's an 'upgrade' to standard service. Maybe things have changed recently.). But in their favor, you can develop for the 360 cheaply, RROD's got fixed promptly (and the warrentee was extended) and you know Microsoft can afford to fix things when they go wrong. Heck, I'm not even sure they ever made it into the black on the 360 yet

As for PC's and the wii....Not really a factor. Though if Nintendo takes a chance and creates a better Wii2, they might take the next round Personally, I think a lot of people are gonna be wondering if it's worth the risk to play on-line. If anyone does anything with the stolen info, a lot of people are probably just gonna decide it's not worth it, and drag out their old consoles when they want to play games

Also, keep in mind, it's not -just- that you can't play on-line for a few weeks. There's also the simple fact that now you have to worry about someone mis-using your personal credit info. Which is going to reduce to the simple thought of "No, johnny, you can't use my credit card. Sony can't be trusted to keep that info safe." for a -lot- of parents....


Just for the record: I actually liked the ps1 and ps2. Still play them quite a bit. My ps3...not so much. I'll probably just sell it to my friend who's 'borrowing' it now. Haven't missed it yet

[Arkhan]

Update:

Sony's Shigenori Yoshida said that the company was uncertain when services would be fully functional  but that a 'plan to restart  the services' on May 31st was still in place.

Read more: http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/psn-will-be-out-until-may-31st-earliest/#ixzz1Ls9STtls

Still think sony can survive this, especially in the gaming world? Not being able to play games you -bought and paid for- for over a month is definately gonna cause problems. And remember, a lot of the newer games won't even play single player without connecting to psn.

Im sure itll be fine.  the service is free, save a few things (DC universe online).   PSN+ subscribers may get some sort of compensation (an extra month before renewal?)... but as a whole, I don't think it will be as destructive as people think.

Most PS3 games that are single player will work offline.  My PS3 hasn't been plugged in to a network for awhile.  If the game needs an update, its usually included on the disc.

I haven't run into a game that wont work during this whole downtime.

[nectarsis]

I see people are STILL ignoring the fact that Sony is also giving users FREE access to credit monitoring/identity theft protection services. 

From comments I see many places yes some people are wary/dropping Sony, yet theres  just as many/more eagerly awaiting the return of the PSN.

[nectarsis]

There have already been lawsuits about this PSN business

And there are definately going to be more. Latest news is they got hacked because they were running an old (and I mean year+) version of apache. Sounds like 'failure to reasonably protect' that information....
I'm not a lawyer, but I wouldn't be surprised to see sony facing both civil and criminal charges over this one....

And, darn it to heck, sony will probably survive.

Dunno about that. I keep thinking about Pabst beer, when they changed the formula. They were "too big to fail", but where are they now In any case, when the lawsuits really get going, their stock price is gonna drop; that means they won't have the capital to invest in the next generation, so they'll -probably- fall behind. See where that's going?

I seriously think sony's management screwed up with removing the other-os option. They were afraid of the hypervisor being hacked via linux, but ended up starting a sh*t storm. They should have recognized nothing good could come from removing promised options. And even if they manage to survive, I doubt they will be a player in the video game field. <sigh>

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/09/report-sonys-psn-servers-were-up-to-date/

2nd hand, unverified information be damned