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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: slinkyturd on August 13, 2014, 05:21:17 PM
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Make your argument!
Mine: Playstation 2
*With an exceptional library that covers just about everything, it's not hard to find several games worth playing regardless of what dictates to you what is worth playing. I'd argue no system has a library better in wide range and quality than Playstation 2. You have compilations from older systems from Atari to Sega Genesis with titles like the Activision Anthology, Taito classics, Sega Genesis Collection, Mega Man Collections and more. Survival horror? Yeah we got several Silent Hill releases, Resident Evil releases and lesser known titles like the X-files game, Clock Tower 3, Cold Fear and others. Light gun games? How 'bout access to 4 Time Crisis games, Resident Evil Dead Aim, End Game, and Dino Crisis. RPGs? Like 10 Final Fantasy releases, Castlevania, and many more. Several fighter games like the DBZ boudokai and Mortal Kombat series. Open world/sandbox games like 3 GTA games, Gun and many more. Stealth games from Tom Clancey to Hitman. God of War I and II, sports games, the list is nearly endless. This system literally had several games in each genre that were all worth owning then and now. This system has a plurality of games that are worth buying the system for and not the other way around.
*It had backwards compatibility like all systems really should. It even carried over to hardware. Sony kept the same controller design from PS1 because it made sense. There really isn't anything wrong with that controller at all. How many times have we been annoyed with a controller change with the next generation of consoles? That didn't happen here.
*It was fantastically received by consumers (150M+ consoles sold), which means the secondary market is affordable now.
*It had beautiful graphics that are still as vibrant and in some cases (see: God of War series or Shadow of the Colossus specifically) still awe inspiring.
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Are you seriously asking that question on the PCEFX forum? I'm pretty sure we all can agree it's the Philips CDi.
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Aside from PCE
Wii, sure it's underpowered compared to the others at the time, but it had fresh games and it can run GAMECUBE games which if the Wii didn't exist would be my choice.
Gamecube was a beast ran fun lil dics and had so many great titles.
Nod to the Dreamcast as well...
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Outside of PCE, it's definitely PS1, with Dreamcast right the f*ck behind it.
Basically, if Dreamcast hadn't faceplanted, it would've surpassed PS1, PS2, and all that shit.
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Asking on a pce forum is asking to get mauled :roll: :wink: Still outside of it the neo-geo,sega saturn and dreamcast when i do think of underrated.
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Dreamcast all the way
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PC Engine > NES > then Dreamcast or something I don't own
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That's kind of a tough one, used to be Genesisisisis, then Creamcast, I love the Turbo....hmmm, I'm just gonna picture those three consoles making out for a while... My answer would be the Drammkast... if it had a working PCE Emoolaterrr. Yep.
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I'll do a dream combo.
N64+Neo Geo
There, I said it. I like the N64. ;)
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PC Engine is the greatest console of all time.
it is so great, it doesn't even need to be explained.
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I actually agree with the OP that the PS2 will be the most prolific console of all time. That doesn't mean it has to be your favorite.
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PC Engine is the greatest console of all time.
it is so great, it doesn't even need to be explained.
/thread
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(Obligatory "Turbo/PC Engine is my all-time favorite")
But I agree with the OP. PS2 was just f*cking incredible with the depth and quality of its library. I do love the Dreamcast, though, and the Nintendo DS pretty much has the greatest handheld library ever.
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Pioneer Laseractive
access to the whole PCE and Mega Drive library
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Aside from PCE
Wii, sure it's underpowered compared to the others at the time, but it had fresh games and it can run GAMECUBE games which if the Wii didn't exist would be my choice.
Gamecube was a beast ran fun lil dics and had so many great titles.
Nod to the Dreamcast as well...
This
Also I f ok nd it funny that during the xbox ps2 and gc era the gc pushed better graphics and over all looks then the ps2. The main downside is it didnt embrace dvd which is what made many including myself go with a ps2 as a cheap dvd player.
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The Sega Saturn as it is the console that should have been the true followup of the PCE/Turbo instead of the PCFX.
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I think there was a GC that played DVDs but it was something ridiculous like 400 bucks and released like 2-3 years into its lifecycle.
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Nintendo. :twisted:
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Pioneer Laseractive
access to the whole PCE and Mega Drive library
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Don't forget all the awesome boobeh games!
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I think there was a GC that played DVDs but it was something ridiculous like 400 bucks and released like 2-3 years into its lifecycle.
Yes it was a Japan Exclusive that another bordie was selling off recently (as he was moving back to Canada from Japan).
It still comands a preimum, and it kind of cool (all chrome), but a little indulgent for my taste..or maybe I am just to poor to affored one ...
it is probably the poorness factor...
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1. PCE/TG16
2. SNES (lots of great RPGS, platformers, action adventure titles)
3. Dreamcast
(I might have said Saturn in there, but I only own one game. Have not started hemorrhaging money on that black hole yet)
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The Sega Saturn as it is the console that should have been the true followup of the PCE/Turbo instead of the PCFX.
Very true. The more I dug into the Saturn's library (especially the Japanese titles), the more apparent this became to me. It felt like the true successor to the PC Engine.
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PCE (special place in all our hearts)
Wii/GC (already explained)
Dreamcast (fun quirky Sega's last hardware hurrah hurrah)
Saturn (better 2D than PS1 and better games, PS1 doesn't hold up as well IMHO)
Snes (classic library, dat sound chip)
Neo-Geo (Expensive but awesome)
And the rest can all fight for the rest of the order, all have special games but nothing stands out as a clear front runner.
I'm not including current gen as it's not nearly over yet, but I do enjoy the f*ck out of my Wii U, and hardly have interest in the PS4 and none whatsoever for the Xbone.
As for portables
TurboExpress (self explaning)
(3)DS (awesome library)
Lynx (big, ugly, awesome)
etc etc etc
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I would have to say the Super NES was the greatest console. It had a super large library of games. Sure, the NES had a larger selection, but with 16-bit graphics and sound, the games were so much more richer and engrossing. The Atari 2600 got me into video games. The NES made me become a fan. The SNES got me playing for life. The Sega Genesis was a good competitor, but with its "lower quality" graphics & sound, I believe it didn't catch on as much.
I have to agree with the OP that the Playstation 2 was an awesome system. But I believe the SNES was the FIRST system to truly dominate the game industry and during a time period where gamers increased by a large margin, comparably to the Atari/Intellivision/Colecovision generation. I don't think there are any gamer out in the world who don't appreciate the SNES. You don't have to be a Nintendo fanboy to realize it was a great system.
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The Sega Saturn as it is the console that should have been the true followup of the PCE/Turbo instead of the PCFX.
put down the meth.
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PS3....hands down.
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PS2 simply for breadth and quality of the library. IMO nothing even comes close.
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But I believe the SNES was the FIRST system to truly dominate the game industry...
The 16 bit generation had no real dominatrix, not compared to almost every other generation anyway. The SNES outsold the Genny by maybe 25% (similar to the Wii vs. the PS3 or 360); compare that to the 2600 outselling its combined competition ten to one, the NES outselling the SMS five to one, the PS1 outselling the N64 three to one, or the PS2 outselling the xbox, Dreamcast, and Gamecube combined by nearly three to one.
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But I believe the SNES was the FIRST system to truly dominate the game industry...
The 16 bit generation had no real dominatrix, not compared to almost every other generation anyway. The SNES outsold the Genny by maybe 25% (similar to the Wii vs. the PS3 or 360); compare that to the 2600 outselling its combined competition ten to one, the NES outselling the SMS five to one, the PS1 outselling the N64 three to one, or the PS2 outselling the xbox, Dreamcast, and Gamecube combined by nearly three to one.
Well, I was more referring to the system's overall popularity with gamers, third-party developers, and just in general, as well as its performance in generating a great variety of quality titles. Personal bias in my local area was a key factor as well. Hehe. None of my friends owned a Sega Genesis nor hardly anybody in school at the time. In fact, one friend had a Turbografx-16, which he showed off to me all the time. The facts are nice, but it should not be the sole factor in considering "the greatest console of all time."
I personally love the SNES due its huge library of role-playing games, action/adventure titles, and great platformers. And who doesn't love Mario and friends? The only other console that came even close was the Playstation 2. The people I know these days also can tell you this. Sony did a great job with the Playstation line of consoles. But it was still lacking some First-party games that really blew everybody out of the water. Nintendo did their best on the SNES, since they had some good practice on the NES. Of course, none of their later consoles did even half as good, comparably as a total package.
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A lot of Mode 7 love coming out of the closet in this thread...
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After Obey, I'd say the SNES/Super Famicom gets the most love in this household. PS1/2 and Dreamcast all get honorable mentions.
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The Sega Saturn as it is the console that should have been the true followup of the PCE/Turbo instead of the PCFX.
put down the meth.
Sounds like someone likes the PC-FX. :) I just couldn't get into the system, maybe because I don't know Japanese? But yeah, seems like a lot of people here enjoy the snes which isn't a bad thing. I'm just burnt out on it after all these years unlike the PCE and the Saturn so many goodies to explore.
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For me it is the Super Nintendo. Massive library that is even bigger then the NES. It did everything the NES did but bigger and better. For me it is the pinnacle of both 16 bit gaming and gaming as whole. No system has ever come close to the awesomeness of the SNES.
Even 20+ years games that were on the SNES continue to make the charts of the best games of all time.
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SNES had so many Konami games. It's kind of ridiculous. I love my SNES. PCE/TG16 more, but still.
Cybernator
Twinbee
Contra III
Gradius III
Castlevania IV
Sunsetriders
Axelay
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Minus the pce/turbo, I'll say snes also. Great library of rpgs, chrono trigger, earthbound, ff2 and 3, super mario rpg, secret of mana, lufia 2, etc. I was also a huge UN squadron fan, and so many other memorable games that many people have already mentioned.
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8-/16-bit era:
1. PCE
2. MD
3. SFC
4. FC
5. SMS
32-bit and up:
1. PS2 (includes PS1)
2. Saturn
3. DC
4. NGC
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8-/16-bit era:
1. PCE
2. MD
3. SFC
4. FC
5. SMS
32-bit and up:
1. PS2 (includes PS1)
2. Saturn
3. DC
4. NGC
I pretty much aggree but wonder where teh Neo Geo AES would fit in all that?
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I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
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I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
I feel that since the Neo Geo never (to my knowledge) got any original console games or other ports from other companies that did not originate as a Neo Geo MVS game, it almost isn't even a home system.
not in the traditional sense........it was simply an Arcade in a box that you could plug into your tv.....
Of course when I say that about its game library I mean during the original system’s life span not the cool home brew games we see now a days.
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I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
I feel that since the Neo Geo never (to my knowledge) got any original console games or other ports from other companies that did not originate as a Neo Geo MVS game, it almost isn't even a home system.
not in the traditional sense........it was simply an Arcade in a box that you could plug into your tv.....
Of course when I say that about its game library I mean during the original system’s life span not the cool home brew games we see now a days.
Also a pretty fair criticism.
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What are you talking about?
I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
I feel that since the Neo Geo never (to my knowledge) got any original console games or other ports from other companies that did not originate as a Neo Geo MVS game, it almost isn't even a home system.
not in the traditional sense........it was simply an Arcade in a box that you could plug into your tv.....
Of course when I say that about its game library I mean during the original system’s life span not the cool home brew games we see now a days.
you are a dumbass
both of you
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What are you talking about?I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
I feel that since the Neo Geo never (to my knowledge) got any original console games or other ports from other companies that did not originate as a Neo Geo MVS game, it almost isn't even a home system.
not in the traditional sense........it was simply an Arcade in a box that you could plug into your tv.....
Of course when I say that about its game library I mean during the original system’s life span not the cool home brew games we see now a days.
you are a dumbass
both of you
Go and see our new movie "Dumb and Dummber 2"!
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its not "simply an arcade box that you could plug into your tv"
it doesn't used the same carts at all
how can you ever draw that conclusion?
do you even know what AES stands for?
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I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
How could the Neo Geo not have reached its fullest potential? It was in arcade rotation (with new games) from 1990-2004. It was is the longest running arcade hardware (and home console). How could that not reach its fullest potential. The Dreamcast, on the other hand, was cut short. That didn't reach its fullest potential.
Anyway, my favourite console (outside of anything Obey related) would be a toss up between Megadrive, SNES/Super Famicom and the Saturn. Although, from a logical perspective, the PS2 is probably the best console ever (great library with access to the PS1 library as well) those three are my favourites.
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I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
Poppycock! The NeoGeo did exactly what it was supposed to do, as it was never expected to be a direct competitor (in terms of console sales or game library size) to the Genny or SNES; and while the TG-16 didn't do so hot and has a smallish library, the PCE says who gives a f*ck?
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I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.
How could the Neo Geo not have reached its fullest potential? It was in arcade rotation (with new games) from 1990-2004. It was is the longest running arcade hardware (and home console). How could that not reach its fullest potential. The Dreamcast, on the other hand, was cut short. That didn't reach its fullest potential.
Anyway, my favourite console (outside of anything Obey related) would be a toss up between Megadrive, SNES/Super Famicom and the Saturn. Although, from a logical perspective, the PS2 is probably the best console ever (great library with access to the PS1 library as well) those three are my favourites.
It has a library of 55 games! The only system that makes that look respectable is virtual boy. And with a price tag of $650 retail, no one had them. That's why you pay through the nose for them now, because they didn't sell well. I'm posing the argument that if it had been well received, the library would have been vastly larger. I'm saying all the games we could have gotten on that system and didn't, takes it down a peg.
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Using your fool's logic, the Bugatti Veyron hasn't met its true potential and has been poorly received.
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One cannot make an argument that the veyron isn't the fastest car in the world. One can make the argument that the neo geo isn't even 2nd in it's own generation of consoles.
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Are you retarded?
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No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?
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its not "simply an arcade box that you could plug into your tv"
it doesn't used the same carts at all
how can you ever draw that conclusion?
do you even know what AES stands for?
Of Course I do...I happen to own one, but I mostly collect for my CMVS as those are much more affordable (provided you dont' get bootlegs ugh)..
Come on..it was nothing more then an arcadee in a box..
same boards
same everything ...same games!
The only thing they did was make it so arcade owners couldn't buy the then cheaper AES ports and play them on their arcades....
All they did with SOME home ports (which was no diffrent apart from the shell) was maybe MAYBE add things like the removal of blood, color swaps, ability to listen to music from the game on a select screen, and take away the need to insert a coin ...
They NEVER developed a game for the AES that wasn't first an Arcade game for the MVS
They even omited one or two games that ONLY came out for the MVS arcade cabs
They NEVER ported any other game that wasn't a direct MVS port...NEVER........
So yes it was JUST an Aracde with some pretty lipstick, that you could play with your friend on your tv........
The best part of the AES to me was that you could have the memory card and use it with some of the Arcade systems (and a jack for headphones).....
Let's face it the number of people I have met who owned a TG-16 VASTLY outweighs anyone who owned a AES (when it first came out).
Hell I didn't even have a AES until 4 years ago around the same time I bought a CMVS...
and I have only ever bothered to get 2 AES games, where as I have like 20 something MVS games...
and even then I am the only person I have met in real life or with in my circle of friends who even knows what a Neo Geo AES/MVS or TG-16 was let alone have one......which makes for weird conversations when I try and tak about games for these systems...sure most know or remember playing Neo Geo in the Arcades but when they learn that you could play them on your TV on original hardward they flip.......
not enough to buy said hardware though...they just mooch off of my stuff...which makes for fun drunken retro nights that don't just involves a NES, SNES, and ocasonal Dreamcast or SMS/Genesis game.....
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No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?
Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid. It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.
It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?
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Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid. It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.
It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?
Necromancer is dead on.
It didn't sell in large numbers because it was a premium item. The goal of the Neo-Geo AES wasn't to reach mass market penetration to have a system in every living room in the developed world. It was to sell a premium item at a premium price. It's a totally different market than Nintendo, Sega and NEC were going for.
Also, it had a lot more than 55 games.
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where did you get 55 games released for AES? If that's just US releases that's a lame argument because everyone who collects neo geo, even when it was new bought Japanese games as well. It's like Turbo same thing. Very few people only play US Turbo. Even when it was new many people already started buying Japanese CD games and converters to play Japanese games. You pretty much have to consider the whole library in Japan and US for both of those consoles as the majority of people who are interested in them play all region of games.
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No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?
Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid. It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.
It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?
I'd have to agree ..... The Neo Geo was never poorly recived it was just set a price point that most couldn't affored, parents would never think of buying for their kids, and we are still talking about a time when most people did NOT have more then one system......
it was a very (we only see the point in buying one system for you kid....PICK)
It is only now a days with gamers from the 80's and 90's IMO that actually go out and BUY multiple systems......either for themselves or their families (yeah right still just for us lol).....
12 year old me NEVER could afford a Neo Geo AES so I just scoffed at what were only ads to me, and thought "My SNES port is arcade perfect".......
I never knew of someone who had a Neo Geo AES or even the CD.....all of my experinace with Neo Geo growing up was with the Arcade....and even then it was with only a very VERY small offering of the games actually developed....
In fact I can tell you which ones...
Metal Slug (insert number) mostly 1 and 3
Art of Fighting
KOF (insert year)
that one with the disk beach ball setting
and that Capcom Neo Geo one.....
that was it....
well okay maybe a few of the shooters but I woudl be hard press to remember which one
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The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.
Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.
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Pick an argument, chief. It's one thing to say the NeoGeo isn't the best console ever because of its small library and cost, but it's something entirely different to say it was poorly received. Also, there are more than 55 games for the AES. It's still not going to rival the SNES or Genny libraries in size, but get your facts correct if you're going to use that as an argument.
P.S. - I wouldn't say the TG-16 is out of the running. Only an idiot would ignore the PCE and its extensive library.
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Pick an argument, chief. It's one thing to say the NeoGeo isn't the best console ever because of its small library and cost, but it's something entirely different to say it was poorly received. Also, there are more than 55 games for the AES. It's still not going to rival the SNES or Genny libraries in size, but get your facts correct if you're going to use that as an argument.
P.S. - I wouldn't say the TG-16 is out of the running. Only an idiot would ignore the PCE and its extensive library.
When you say PCE and it's extensive library do you reffer to the US release or the import offerings?
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When you say PCE and it's extensive library do you reffer to the US release or the import offerings?
I mean what I typed.
I hope you're f*cking trolling me. :lol:
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Its reception is a supporting point to the argument that it isn't the greatest system ever or even in its own generation. I believe my point on that is still valid. Consider what you are paying for when you buy an AES game today. You don't pay hundreds more for a game that is worth hundreds more in game play. You pay for rarity. Rarity isn't an argument for greatest ever. It's an argument for best niche market.
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The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.
Where are you getting this 55 games number from?
I know around 90 released in the West alone
2020 Super Baseball
3 Count Bout
Aero Fighters 2
Aggressors of Dark Kombat
Alpha Mission 2
Andro Dunos
Art of Fighting (dog-tag)
Art of Fighting 2
Art of Fighting 3
Baseball Stars Professional
Baseball Stars 2
Blue's Journey
Burning Fight
Crossed Swords
Cyber-lip
Double Dragon
Eightman
Fatal Fury
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
Fatal Fury 3
Football Frenzy
Galaxy Fight
Ghost Pilots
Karnov's Revenge
King of Fighters 94
King of Fighters 95
King of Fighters 96
King of Fighters 97
King of Fighters 98
King of Fighters 99
King of Fighters 2000
King of Fighters 2001
King of Fighters 2002
King of Fighters 2003
King of Monsters
King of Monsters 2
Kizuna Encounter
Last Blade
Last Blade 2
Last Resort
League Bowling
Magician Lord
Mark of the Wolves
Matrimelee
Metal Slug
Metal Slug 2
Metal Slug X
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug 4
Metal Slug 5
Mutation Nation
NAM-1975
Neo Turfmasters
Ninja Combat
Ninja Commando
Ninja Master's
Puzzled
Rage of the Dragons
Real Bout Fatal Fury
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2
Riding Hero
Robo Army
Samurai Shodown
Samurai Shodown 2
Samurai Shodown 3
Samurai Shodown 4
Samurai Shodown 5
Samurai Shodown 5 Special
Savage Reign
Sengoku
Sengoku 2
Sengoku 3
Soccer Brawl
Spin Master
Stakes Winner
Street Hoop
Super Sidekicks
Super Sidekicks 2
Super Sidekicks 3
SVC Chaos
Ultimate 11
The Super Spy
Thrash Rally
Top Hunter
Top Players Golf
View Point
Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer
Windjammers
World Heroes
World Heroes 2
World Heroes 2 Jet
World Heroes Perfect
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The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.
Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.
Wait you are arguing that there are only 55 Neo Geo games and most aren't good yet you think SNES is good? I think we all can agree you have terrible taste and are in no mental state to be starting threads like this.
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The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.
Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.
Wait you are arguing that there are only 55 Neo Geo games and most aren't good yet you think SNES is good? I think we all can agree you have terrible taste and are in no mental state to be starting threads like this.
You somehow quote me and misquote me in the same breathe. I never said most aren't good or even quantified that number. I said not all of them are good and didn't get any more specific than that.
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3 Count Bout
that is the game I was thinking of
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You somehow quote me and misquote me in the same breathe. I never said most aren't good or even quantified that number. I said not all of them are good and didn't get any more specific than that.
Why do you keep ignoring the "55 games" number you pulled out of who knows where? Do you have a source? Have you ever even played a Neo Geo?
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The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.
Where are you getting this 55 games number from?
I know around 90 released in the West alone
2020 Super Baseball
3 Count Bout
Aero Fighters 2
Aggressors of Dark Kombat
Alpha Mission 2
Andro Dunos
Art of Fighting (dog-tag)
Art of Fighting 2
Art of Fighting 3
Baseball Stars Professional
Baseball Stars 2
Blue's Journey
Burning Fight
Crossed Swords
Cyber-lip
Double Dragon
Eightman
Fatal Fury
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
Fatal Fury 3
Football Frenzy
Galaxy Fight
Ghost Pilots
Karnov's Revenge
King of Fighters 94
King of Fighters 95
King of Fighters 96
King of Fighters 97
King of Fighters 98
King of Fighters 99
King of Fighters 2000
King of Fighters 2001
King of Fighters 2002
King of Fighters 2003
King of Monsters
King of Monsters 2
Kizuna Encounter
Last Blade
Last Blade 2
Last Resort
League Bowling
Magician Lord
Mark of the Wolves
Matrimelee
Metal Slug
Metal Slug 2
Metal Slug X
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug 4
Metal Slug 5
Mutation Nation
NAM-1975
Neo Turfmasters
Ninja Combat
Ninja Commando
Ninja Master's
Puzzled
Rage of the Dragons
Real Bout Fatal Fury
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2
Riding Hero
Robo Army
Samurai Shodown
Samurai Shodown 2
Samurai Shodown 3
Samurai Shodown 4
Samurai Shodown 5
Samurai Shodown 5 Special
Savage Reign
Sengoku
Sengoku 2
Sengoku 3
Soccer Brawl
Spin Master
Stakes Winner
Street Hoop
Super Sidekicks
Super Sidekicks 2
Super Sidekicks 3
SVC Chaos
Ultimate 11
The Super Spy
Thrash Rally
Top Hunter
Top Players Golf
View Point
Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer
Windjammers
World Heroes
World Heroes 2
World Heroes 2 Jet
World Heroes Perfect
I stand corrected but even with that correction it still is only in contention with TG16...and that's if we ignore PCE's library.
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I'm just wondering what the criteria is for "greatest console, all time". All criteria are subjective. Slinky seems to think that a great console is defined by its reception when released as well as library size and "self actualization" of the console (to borrow a term from psychology).
It is a safe bet that many PCE/TG16 enthusiasts have a different set of criteria.
Thank you! Greatest system ever does not necessarily equal "My favorite system ever." I'm trying to take every aspect of the system into account and not just my personal bias for one system over the other. I mean my least favorite of systems in the 16 bit era is the one I'd make the hardest argument for it being the greatest.
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The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it. Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.
That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.
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The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it. Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.
That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.
We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.
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I'm just wondering what the criteria is for "greatest console, all time". All criteria are subjective. Slinky seems to think that a great console is defined by its reception when released as well as library size and "self actualization" of the console (to borrow a term from psychology).
It is a safe bet that many PCE/TG16 enthusiasts have a different set of criteria.
This is true.........
well I mean about the criteria.....and justification for each person's persoanl best system.
Is it longevity?
How well it has held up over the years?
Impact on video gaming as a whole?
Library of games?
or simply the company that created it?
who knows what you or anyone feels edges out others...
but since I have yet to even say which system I think is the best of all time, space, and this dimenson...
I'd have to go with:
Atari 2600: Why? It was my first system ever, and I have many fond memories playing with my dad....I don't even know if you could call the 2600 8-bit so I give it it's own slot as the first home system worth a damb to the general consumer.
SMS for 8-bit (why because it was honeslty better hardware then the NES, but lack of 3rd party support due to the monoloply Nintendo had (which I never understood at the time or was aware of) made it suffer with games to play). Thi is a new love I have devleoped when I gave the system a chance and played it as an adult.
For 16-bit man that is hard......SNES..sorry....Fanboyism won out...it has the most games I still enjoy playing and dang it I STILL discover other games that are worth a play.
Now here is where I always get confused with what is and isn't a 32 bit system...but if the Sega CD counts that would have to be it for me....why? For all the bashing it got, it has one HELL of a game library of gems to play many of which are still exclusive to the Sega CD.
For the 64 bit era which I guess is N64, and the PS1, I'd say N64..........I still game on the N64, and with the PS1 it was and is largly a RPG system to me......sure there are some great non RPG games, but it is more of a nostalgia factor for me.....
and I'll pick this up later....lunch time.
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We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.
That settles it. You're retarded.
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And you're an Ass.
If a tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it?
If a Neo Geo sits unsold because no one can afford it, does anyone get to enjoy it?
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Look up the definition for "well received" and you'll find it has nothing to do with sales numbers. Go back to the Veyron analogy: it's very expensive and they've only sold a few hundred of 'em, yet it has most certainly been well received.
You are dead wrong. Get over it.
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I think you are simply using the wrong word to express your opinin.
Saying it was not well recived based on units sold is misleading. There have been many a movie that was well recived but bombed in the box office but later became cult clasics
And to me that is what the AES is now a days. A cult classic
Much like the TG-16 is a cult classic
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medic you are an idiot try to shove an AES cart in an MVS and tell me its the same board. Same game roms sure but not the same carts. You seem to miss the entire point of the Neo Geo. They are an ARCADE division that found a way to bring their games into your home using their successful cartridge format for arcade distribution. Why would they develop for the home market which was just another avenue to bring in money on vested technology? The money maker for them was the arcade at that time. I don't understand your lipstick analogy. It was SNKs console to compete in the market and they had something very unique and way ahead of its time. I guess the Playchoice-10 is just an ugly raped NES made to play in arcades? same with the Mega Tech since they don't have "lipstick"? The AES is the home console of the MVS arcade system. Just like the Saturn / STV and Dreamcast / Naomi.
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No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?
Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid. It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.
It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?
Yeah, the Neo Geo was a souped up 16-bit system with an 8-bit co-processor (16 + 8 = 24-bit, advertised as a 24-bit system), definitely the most powerful console in 1990 until it got surpassed by the Philips CD-I in 1991. The expensive price was one of its problems. The other is that the library consisted mostly of fighting games, beat-em-ups, and shooters. You can tell it was made for arcade games--mostly action-based. This was why I didn't pick up the system back in the day. Also, my parents definitely would not pay for anything past $200.
I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.
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medic you are an idiot try to shove an AES cart in an MVS and tell me its the same board. Same game roms sure but not the same carts. You seem to miss the entire point of the Neo Geo. They are an ARCADE division that found a way to bring their games into your home using their successful cartridge format for arcade distribution. Why would they develop for the home market which was just another avenue to bring in money on vested technology? The money maker for them was the arcade at that time. I don't understand your lipstick analogy. It was SNKs console to compete in the market and they had something very unique and way ahead of its time. I guess the Playchoice-10 is just an ugly raped NES made to play in arcades? same with the Mega Tech since they don't have "lipstick"? The AES is the home console of the MVS arcade system. Just like the Saturn / STV and Dreamcast / Naomi.
Ok now you are really off the mark.
You cant compair a dream cast to its arcade counterpart because it didnt use the same technology
The AES and MVS were the same fliping thing. Yes SNK made their money on arcade units because they made their games interchanagble to the board running it.
The sega saturn and dreamcast where watered down ports of hardware the arcade was pushing.
Sure the naomi used those cd based games that needed that lockout chip per game but the dream cast wasnt nearly as powerfull as its arcade counterpart
Where as the AES and MVS use idential hard ware chip sets and cartridge. The case was diffrent and it was incompatable to thw MVS so arcade dealers couldnt buy a $200 dollar AES game and slap it on their arcades but yes. To me the AES and MVS used the same hardware and specs. At lest that is what I have always understood
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No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?
Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid. It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.
It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16. Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?
Yeah, the Neo Geo was a souped up 16-bit system with an 8-bit co-processor (16 + 8 = 24-bit, advertised as a 24-bit system), definitely the most powerful console in 1990 until it got surpassed by the Philips CD-I in 1991. The expensive price was one of its problems. The other is that the library consisted mostly of fighting games, beat-em-ups, and shooters. You can tell it was made for arcade games--mostly action-based. This was why I didn't pick up the system back in the day. Also, my parents definitely would not pay for anything past $200.
I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.
Ugghh I stilm regreat pre ordering and kwwping that pile of crap. The neo geo x is poory constructed and does even worse emulation. Id rather buy a multi cart for my MVS then use a neo geo x.
Personal taste mind you.
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"The MVS and AES hardware can execute identical machine code. Owners can move EPROMs from one type to the other, and the game will still run. The program specifics for both MVS and AES game options are contained on every game ROM, whether the cartridge is intended for home or arcade use. However, the arcade and home cartridges do have a different pinout. They were designed this way to prevent arcade operators from buying the cheaper home carts and then using them in arcades. It has been found that in a few home version games, one could unlock the arcade version of the game by inputting a special code." ~Wiki
I have looked but I can't sem to find anything that direclty compairs the hardware (what was used) between a AES and MVS system...eveyone just seems to compair the inital price of the system as it's big diffrence, and this one part about how the pin layout was diffrent to keep Arcade owners from using the then cheaper AES games on their MVS arcades .....
I am sure the answer is some where but I don't care to look at the moment.
If you can show that the technology used was diffrent in a AES system versus a MVS I'll consied that you are correct.
But apart from the lack of dip swithces, or that the MVS went from 1 slot to 6 slot boards and used daughter boards for the video out put in a AES system I fail to see how the hardware used in either the AES or MVS was diffrent.
Apart from video out put
Use of coin mech
Controller layout for use with a AES controller port
and pin layout to prevent the use of a non AES cart
I honestly fail to see any diffrence...when ever anyone has ever talked about the AES system it was always compaired as taking their Aracde system and putting it your home.. Aracde perfect sounds, graphics, and rom emulation ....
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The BIOS are different on each system. The winner don't use drugs logo from the arcade cannot be displayed on an AES as it lacks the tiles set to display properly. Its a home console version of the MVS you don't get it and you never will.
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The BIOS are different on each system. The winner don't use drugs logo from the arcade cannot be displayed on an AES as it lacks the tiles set to display properly. Its a home console version of the MVS you don't get it and you never will.
Having a diffrent BIOS was just to ONCE AGAIN keep the use of the then cheaper AES game from being used in a MVS arcade.
oh no winner's don't use drugs is missing it is a totally diffrent system!
I am asking you to state was the hardware used diffrent?
Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent? was there any major diffrence between a MVS and AES hardware that pumped out the video games used in either incarnation of the Neo Geo games?
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One has a test menu and one doesn't how are they the same again? The BIOS is different just get over it you clearly don't know shit about anything. If I publish the info in a wiki you would probably run with it as the gospel. Find other ways to boost your post count.
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The AES was marketed to large corporate hotel agencies as an in Hotel Arcade system for each room. SNK didnt give a shit if your little 12 yr old could afford it. They accomplished what they set out to do.
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I am torn in this discussion. I feel the NES has to be #1 based off of many factors:
It single handedly saved the home console market in NA.
It's library is huge and has all sorts of great games.
It's popularity was so huge that 3rd party developers were willing to do whatever it took to get on the system (including all of the unlawful stipulations Nintendo required).
Nintendo's marketing in this era was amazing.
Long lifespan that only finally ended because of Nintendo's next generation system.
It was easy for a casual gamer to pick up and play.
Other than the aged 72 pin issue on toasters, the hardware itself is damn reliable.
Where I have regret for the NES is this. Although, it my have saved the industry it also stifled it. Just imagine a NA library for TurboGrafx if 3rd party developers ported nicer looking games to TurboGrafx at the same time they were released on Nintendo's console(s).
I have to agree that PS2 is right up there. Just think, if Nintendo would have just let Sony finish development and release a disc drive for the SNES, would Sony have ever ventured into the home console market?
There's no denying the success of the SNES but, I have a better connection to the Sega Genesis. I like cheering for the underdog and, at the time, no one had come close to beating Nintendo in the North American market.
As far as a top 5 list of best home consoles based on sales, public opinion, support etc. Here's mine:
1.) NES
2.) PS2
3.) SNES
4.) XBOX 360
5.) Genesis
As far as a current list of my personal favorite home consoles would probably look like this:
1.) NES
2.) TurboGrafx/ PCE
3.) Genesis
4.) XBOX 360
5.) GameCube
With all of this said, one of the main reasons I purchased my PS2 was that it played DVD's. I thought the GameCube might be better but no DVD play and constantly getting burned by the N64's lack of allowing developers port popular games to it. Oh yeah, they did finally release RE2 on N64 about 67 years after it first came out on PS1.
As far as the Neo Geo discussion goes. Was it a success? I think so, it did exactly what it set out to do. Fill a higher end niche market with exact arcade ports. Why is it not on my list? It had a major impact in that it was the first home console to have the exact same game as found in an arcade but that's not enough for me. It's cost made it not popular because few could afford it (still) and it was never marketed or sold to compete in the mass market. Home can you compare that? It's like comparing a Toyota Camry to the Bugatti Veyron. Are there a shit ton of people that want both? Sure.. out of that shit ton how many can buy the Veyron? Out of those 2 cars which keeps the company that sells it afloat and profitable? Just because the Veyron (like the Neo Geo) was the most powerful piece of hardware ever released to the public at that time, does that make it the greatest of all time?
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Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent?
The Saturn is almost identical to the STV, with the same CPUs, VDP, sound chips, and ram; similarly, the Dreamcast and Naomi share almost identical hardware specs, with the only difference being that the Naomi has more ram.
But what difference does it make? The AES is a home console, period.
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This thread needs more JPop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5zw3l6kpaM
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Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent?
The Saturn is almost identical to the STV, with the same CPUs, VDP, sound chips, and ram; similarly, the Dreamcast and Naomi share almost identical hardware specs, with the only difference being that the Naomi has more ram.
But what difference does it make? The AES is a home console, period.
Really? Hu...I didn't know that about either of those two systems...I thought they had entirely diffrent everything...
Okay okay...find I retract my hissy fit Neo Geo AES arcade in a box statement...
I guess I am simply wrong on this one.....
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Yep. 8)
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Look up the definition for "well received" and you'll find it has nothing to do with sales numbers. Go back to the Veyron analogy: it's very expensive and they've only sold a few hundred of 'em, yet it has most certainly been well received.
You are dead wrong. Get over it.
The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it. Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.
That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.
We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.
I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant. I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.
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I think I'm going to go with the Sega Neptune.
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I find it interesting that as soon as we start discussing the Neo Geo fighting breaks out and insults start flying. It's like the Neo Geo is a toxic topic that only brings pain and suffering.
Hmmm I am starting to understand the Neo Geo Freaks board a little more now :-k
And yes this thread DOES need more J Pop :D
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I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant.
My point was that I wasn't arguing the definition of 'well received'. It has one meaning and it is not 'my' meaning, it's the dictionary's meaning.
I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.
I've already implied that it's okay to discount the NeoGeo for being expensive and for having a smallish library, so I don't know what you're talking about. Personally, cost and library size don't mean much, seeing as the cheapest (when new) system generally has the shittiest capabilities and the largest library usually has the highest ratio of shovelware.
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I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant.
My point was that I wasn't arguing the definition of 'well received'. It has one meaning and it is not 'my' meaning, it's the dictionary's meaning.
I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.
I've already implied that it's okay to discount the NeoGeo for being expensive and for having a smallish library, so I don't know what you're talking about. Personally, cost and library size don't mean much, seeing as the cheapest (when new) system generally has the shittiest capabilities and the largest library usually has the highest ratio of shovelware.
And my point was you were beating a dead horse.
I can see your point about shovelware but like I said I think it wouldn't be that hard to find as many good games in any one of the TG/PCE, Genesis, or SNES's libraries as there are total games in the Neo Geo library. You can argue ratios of quality to crap (maybe the Neo has that. I've not figured that out.) but an actual count of quality has the Neo Geo beat on all fronts, Genesis, SNES, and TG/PCE.
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Speaking of beating a dead horse: I've said twice already that using the NeoGeo's small library against it is a valid argument.
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You have said that...but also in the same breathe as saying it was irrelevant. valid or irrelevant point, pick one.:
I've already implied that it's okay to discount the NeoGeo for being expensive and for having a smallish library, so I don't know what you're talking about. Personally, cost and library size don't mean much, seeing as the cheapest (when new) system generally has the shittiest capabilities and the largest library usually has the highest ratio of shovelware.
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No, I said it doesn't mean much to me. Any search for the "greatest console" is necessarily going to be subjective. There is no magic formula where you input each systems launch price, library size, production number, cpu mips, etc. and come up with a winner.
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It is fair to say that it will be subjective and that there is no magic formula. I do think that the argument can be summed up to be between 3 or 4 consoles for greatest ever and everything else can be taken on face value as not being in the discussion. Neo Geo, in my mind, doesn't even enter the conversation for the top spot. Too many negatives are attributed to it to make that argument.
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No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?
I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.
I'm not gonna even ask why you have that crappy clone to begin with :P
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Holy shit, Arkhan's random J-Pop thing came out of nowhere. My greatest J-music artists of all time:
1. Pizzicato Five
2. Ayumi Hamasaki
3. Mari Ijima
4. Priss & the replicants (Bubblegum Crisis)
Lol.
Topic:
Why is the front loading NES called toaster, when it much more resembles a VCR? To me, the later top loading NES and SNES are much more toaster-like.
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wow. this is one of the most non-sense discussion we ever had in here. big chapeau.
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It is fair to say that it will be subjective and that there is no magic formula. I do think that the argument can be summed up to be between 3 or 4 consoles for greatest ever and everything else can be taken on face value as not being in the discussion. Neo Geo, in my mind, doesn't even enter the conversation for the top spot. Too many negatives are attributed to it to make that argument.
The problem is what qualities are considered negatives and how severe those negatives are is entirely a matter of personal opinion. Thus what "greatness" constitutes in this instance is arbitrary. If it were something like what is the most influential console of all time, you can narrow it down to personal preference. But in this case "greatness" is entirely dependent on what the individual in question values.
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Why is this discussion still going on, I posted the proper list...
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no, I did :P
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But in this case "greatness" is entirely dependent on what the individual in question values.
Bingo!
@ OP A simple change of the thread title adding "Your" in front of "Greatest Console, all time" would have promoted more positive posting :wink:
Off subject, isn't funny how threads like these affect your impressions of other posters. :lol:
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Reconsidered...... Sega Game gear. Best system eve....r.... Ha ha ha ha ha. I couldn't even get through that sentence. Oh.. Now I've totally offended those who love the game gear.
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It is fair to say that it will be subjective and that there is no magic formula. I do think that the argument can be summed up to be between 3 or 4 consoles for greatest ever and everything else can be taken on face value as not being in the discussion. Neo Geo, in my mind, doesn't even enter the conversation for the top spot. Too many negatives are attributed to it to make that argument.
The problem is what qualities are considered negatives and how severe those negatives are is entirely a matter of personal opinion. Thus what "greatness" constitutes in this instance is arbitrary. If it were something like what is the most influential console of all time, you can narrow it down to personal preference. But in this case "greatness" is entirely dependent on what the individual in question values.
Arbitrary is "What is your favorite system?" I am looking at it as an all encompassing view. Meaning all things about the system are up for consideration i.e. sales(strict numbers, numbers vs manufacturer goals, and also vs competitors in its era or any era for that matter), library size, library quality, hardware, accessibility from launch to present, first and secondary market price vs. value, desirablility, graphical and sound quality during life span and does it stand the test of time?, what was the system's impact on the market, culturally, if any (for example, see the NES revitalizing a near dead gaming market with Atari crashing)?, etc.
It can't be the greatest unless all things are considered. How ever we want to weigh all of those things, listed and unlisted, I'd argue 3-4 systems are in the running.
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A: NES/Famicom = greatest console. Anyone who suggests PlayStation (and beyond) is a toollet mignon and knows it.
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A: NES/Famicom = greatest console. Anyone who suggests PlayStation (and beyond) is a toollet mignon and knows it.
That is one that I thought should be in the running.
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All jokes aside, it's NES for me. That's what I grew up on, so there's all kinds of nostalgia tied to it.
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32X = Ball slappin fun.
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Despite the fact that I was a computer fan during my childhood years ( Amiga <3 ) I will also say NES because that white toaster was just amazing. Huge library of games and cool shape ( PAL version ).
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For me, the 32x would have to take the cake. I haven't had many add-ons, but of all that I've owned, the 32x trumps the Sega CD, Super Gameboy, Powerbase, master gear...I think that's all I've owned. Unless you count ram expansions for N64 and Saturn.
I'd like to take a moment & point out that anyone who thinks the Jag is better than the 32x is a bonafide d00fus. Even the not-so-great 32x games (barring Motocross Championship) are better than anything on the Jaguar, and cheaper too. Sorry for going OT, but this has been on my mind a lot lately as I keep seeing stuff about the Jaguar everywhere.
EDIT: wow, second time posting in the wrong forum/topic in the same day. I really need to stop using my phone.
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For me, the 32x would have to take the cake. I haven't had many add-ons, but of all that I've owned, the 32x trumps the Sega CD, Super Gameboy, Powerbase, master gear...I think that's all I've owned. Unless you count ram expansions for N64 and Saturn.
I'd like to take a moment & point out that anyone who thinks the Jag is better than the 32x is a bonafide d00fus. Even the not-so-great 32x games (barring Motocross Championship) are better than anything on the Jaguar, and cheaper too. Sorry for going OT, but this has been on my mind a lot lately as I keep seeing stuff about the Jaguar everywhere.
EDIT: wow, second time posting in the wrong forum/topic in the same day. I really need to stop using my phone.
It all depends on your taste, and what you want to get into. At the time, when those consoles were fresh, the 32X was of interest to me, mostly due to the Corpse Killer, Ground Zero Texas (Oops, I meant the Fahrenheit game), Night Trap 32X, etc. The full motion games. It had some fighters, too, but, the full motion stuff was of interest to me, on the 32X. However, it did not interest me much when it was new, and most other people I knew of at the time looked at the system with some interest, but not enough to buy it since the other consoles (PS, etc) were on the way.
Jaguar, it's not a bad system, it just has a different batch of games. I do not recommend a Jaguar for just anyone. I'd tell a person to study the library first. Same goes for 32X, especially since there are less games.
I would have picked up a 32X, if I caught it when it was marked down. However, during the time it was marked down on clearance, I must not have been in a Toys 'r Us. I know that's how I ended up getting a Virtual Boy, it was a no-brainer to get that when it was $20-$30 or so at TRU. I remember going there for something else, seeing the VB really cheap, and figuring, "Hey, why not!?!".
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headaches, is why not. lol. I think Nintendo should have partnered with aspirin when they made that monsterosity.
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Arbitrary is "What is your favorite system?" I am looking at it as an all encompassing view. Meaning all things about the system are up for consideration i.e. sales(strict numbers, numbers vs manufacturer goals, and also vs competitors in its era or any era for that matter), library size, library quality, hardware, accessibility from launch to present, first and secondary market price vs. value, desirablility, graphical and sound quality during life span and does it stand the test of time?, what was the system's impact on the market, culturally, if any (for example, see the NES revitalizing a near dead gaming market with Atari crashing)?, etc.
It can't be the greatest unless all things are considered. How ever we want to weigh all of those things, listed and unlisted, I'd argue 3-4 systems are in the running.
A lot more than 3-4 systems have a legitimate case for being greatest. Among those are
Atari VCS/2600: First commericially successful home game console. Provided the foundation for console video game platforms.
Nintendo Entertainment System/Famicom: First globally commercially successful home game console. Was the platform that many big time game developers and publishers first had mainstream success with
GameBoy: While not the first ever handheld with interchangable games was the first successful one. Is almost entirely responsible for the portable game console market.
Playstation: While not the first CD-ROM based game console was the first one to be globally successful. Had success in Western markets by being a mainstream platform that was marketed to adults rather than to children.
Playstation 2: Extremely commercially successful, backwards compatible with the original playstation. The first successful (No, the Nuon doesn't count as successful) console platform to utilize DVD as its media storage. Also helped popularize DVD as a home video format.
Nintendo Wii: Introduced motion control, with the virtual console had a legal means of downloading previous generation software and as a result has an enormous library.
And legitimate arguments could be made for a few other consoles as well. Simply put it's not limited to 3-4 systems.
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Arbitrary is "What is your favorite system?" I am looking at it as an all encompassing view. Meaning all things about the system are up for consideration i.e. sales(strict numbers, numbers vs manufacturer goals, and also vs competitors in its era or any era for that matter), library size, library quality, hardware, accessibility from launch to present, first and secondary market price vs. value, desirablility, graphical and sound quality during life span and does it stand the test of time?, what was the system's impact on the market, culturally, if any (for example, see the NES revitalizing a near dead gaming market with Atari crashing)?, etc.
It can't be the greatest unless all things are considered. How ever we want to weigh all of those things, listed and unlisted, I'd argue 3-4 systems are in the running.
A lot more than 3-4 systems have a legitimate case for being greatest. Among those are
Atari VCS/2600: First commericially successful home game console. Provided the foundation for console video game platforms.
Nintendo Entertainment System/Famicom: First globally commercially successful home game console. Was the platform that many big time game developers and publishers first had mainstream success with
GameBoy: While not the first ever handheld with interchangable games was the first successful one. Is almost entirely responsible for the portable game console market.
Playstation: While not the first CD-ROM based game console was the first one to be globally successful. Had success in Western markets by being a mainstream platform that was marketed to adults rather than to children.
Playstation 2: Extremely commercially successful, backwards compatible with the original playstation. The first successful (No, the Nuon doesn't count as successful) console platform to utilize DVD as its media storage. Also helped popularize DVD as a home video format.
Nintendo Wii: Introduced motion control, with the virtual console had a legal means of downloading previous generation software and as a result has an enormous library.
And legitimate arguments could be made for a few other consoles as well. Simply put it's not limited to 3-4 systems.
REBUTTAL: nope, I'm pretty sure Xbox is greatest (greatest money pit, putting Microsoft a billion $$$$ in the hole, and for what gain? They were hoping to be a common appliance, in every living room, the center of entertainment for mainstream America....see, if MS established itself as the center of multimedia living room...well the gamble would have paid off brilliantly).
I know Sony has lost a pretty penny, but they've been better at recouping initial overhead costs than MS.
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REBUTTAL: nope, I'm pretty sure Xbox is greatest (greatest money pit, putting Microsoft a billion $$$$ in the hole, and for what gain? They were hoping to be a common appliance, in every living room, the center of entertainment for mainstream America....see, if MS established itself as the center of multimedia living room...well the gamble would have paid off brilliantly).
With the X-Box at least initially a big part of the plan there was to use it to help keep their Windows monopoly which 13 years ago was far more impactful than it is today with the advent of Android and IOS smart phones and tablets.
They had a genuine fear that home consoles with web and basic application capability could pose a legitimate threat to their PC OS/Office Business and wanted to disrupt the market as much as possible. With Sega clearly on their way out they didn't see Nintendo as a clear threat and felt that if Sony were given the market with only Nintendo as a competitor a Playstation 2 with say the Linux kit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2) might eventually become the standard bundle and provide PC level capabilities to an inexpensive game console that based on the sales of the original unit could easily sell 100 million units.
MS didn't enter the game console market to make money selling game consoles, they entered the market to put more pressure on Sony to be price competitive and be more hesitant about making advanced features that would turn the Playstation 2 into more than just a game console into standard features.
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REBUTTAL: nope, I'm pretty sure Xbox is greatest (greatest money pit, putting Microsoft a billion $$$$ in the hole, and for what gain? They were hoping to be a common appliance, in every living room, the center of entertainment for mainstream America....see, if MS established itself as the center of multimedia living room...well the gamble would have paid off brilliantly).
With the X-Box at least initially a big part of the plan there was to use it to help keep their Windows monopoly which 13 years ago was far more impactful than it is today with the advent of Android and IOS smart phones and tablets.
They had a genuine fear that home consoles with web and basic application capability could pose a legitimate threat to their PC OS/Office Business and wanted to disrupt the market as much as possible. With Sega clearly on their way out they didn't see Nintendo as a clear threat and felt that if Sony were given the market with only Nintendo as a competitor a Playstation 2 with say the Linux kit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2) might eventually become the standard bundle and provide PC level capabilities to an inexpensive game console that based on the sales of the original unit could easily sell 100 million units.
MS didn't enter the game console market to make money selling game consoles, they entered the market to put more pressure on Sony to be price competitive and be more hesitant about making advanced features that would turn the Playstation 2 into more than just a game console into standard features.
Agreed. So....does that mean we can call Xbox the Greatest Console Moneypit?
I think we can.
Like I said, if the gamble paid off for MS, we would be praising them. As it stands, we can mock them for flushing away money faster than a __________ at __________.
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Nintendo Wii: Introduced motion control, with the virtual console had a legal means of downloading previous generation software and as a result has an enormous library.
Introduced motion control to the mainstream maybe, but it wasn't at all a new idea or even a unique implementation.
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I'm going to have to agree with the PS2, even though I never had one it had a massive life span, was affordable, brought DVD Technology to the the everyman, many classic Compilations and basically every genre of game was supported so it would be basically impossible to not like something on the unit.
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Introduced motion control to the mainstream maybe, but it wasn't at all a new idea or even a unique implementation.
Yes, there were things like the U-Force, Power glove and Sega activator before it. But it was the first competent implementation of it and the first time that I'm aware it was packaged with the hardware by default.
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I can't believe all that shit I have to read in here..lol
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Yes, there were things like the U-Force, Power glove and Sega activator before it. But it was the first competent implementation of it and the first time that I'm aware it was packaged with the hardware by default.
You're probably (understandably) forgetting the xavix. The Wii is essentially the same thing but with a big budget.
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You're probably (understandably) forgetting the xavix. The Wii is essentially the same thing but with a big budget.
Not forgotten at all. that's why I used the term "competent implementation"
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Set up correctly, they control just fine.
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Set up correctly, they control just fine.
I've played Tennis and baseball on it and it's considerably worse than the Wii Sports version of those games.
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Set up correctly, they control just fine.
I've played Tennis and baseball on it and it's considerably worse than the Wii Sports version of those games.
If I go to Turbofest, I'll bring XaviX and Jacki Chan, so you can run through streets of Hong Kong using the POWER MAT.
JUMP over hurdles.
DASH down alleys.
KICK AWAY ninja assassins who want to disrupt your morning jog!
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Samba De Amigo maracas are the only motion sensing accessory you will ever need. Shake shake shake. Shake shake shake. Best implementation to date. :P
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I'm going to have to agree with the PS2, even though I never had one it had a massive life span, was affordable, brought DVD Technology to the the everyman, many classic Compilations and basically every genre of game was supported so it would be basically impossible to not like something on the unit.
Thumbs up^
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Samba De Amigo maracas are the only motion sensing accessory you will ever need. Shake shake shake. Shake shake shake. Best implementation to date. :P
Never played the Dream Cast verson...
but I did get the Wii port for .99 cents a few months back as everything Wii (that isn't first party games or Mario) goes for $14 dollars and bellow....
the game was okay and looked nice.....but seriously felt it would have been more entertaining if it had kept the original concept of the controllers being shaped like maracas...much like how the Donkey Kong Jungle Beats game is more fun with the bongos then with the Wii motion port.
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Samba De Amigo maracas are the only motion sensing accessory you will ever need. Shake shake shake. Shake shake shake. Best implementation to date. :P
Never played the Dream Cast verson...
but I did get the Wii port for .99 cents a few months back as everything Wii (that isn't first party games or Mario) goes for $14 dollars and bellow....
the game was okay and looked nice.....but seriously felt it would have been more entertaining if it had kept the original concept of the controllers being shaped like maracas...much like how the Donkey Kong Jungle Beats game is more fun with the bongos then with the Wii motion port.
I had heard they ported it to the Wii. Then I chose to ignore that fact, forget that I ever heard it, and picked up a few sets of maracas for the DC (cuz damn they're kewl). Shake shake shake. Shake shake shake. I really miss the Sonic Team of that era. They made some great games for the DC.
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Dreamcast: home of the gimmicks.
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Will everyone touting the PS2 please leave and go somewhere else?
"Greatest console of all time? Dur... that Sony thing I bought at Gamestop ten years ago. It had Madden and the FPS = GREATEST CONSOLE EVA!"
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Will everyone touting the PS2 please leave and go somewhere else?
"Greatest console of all time? Dur... that Sony thing I bought at Gamestop ten years ago. It had Madden and the FPS = GREATEST CONSOLE EVA!"
Wait for it....
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Will everyone touting the PS2 please leave and go somewhere else?
"Greatest console of all time? Dur... that Sony thing I bought at Gamestop ten years ago. It had Madden and the FPS = GREATEST CONSOLE EVA!"
Greatest Console Evva (GCE).
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It's not just the FPS (which it had many great ones). How about the third person awesomeness of God of War and Hitman franchises? How about the many unsung RPGs on there aside from the like 10 Final Fantasy games? How about the open worlds of games like the GTA series? you want survival horror, how about several Silent Hill releases and the greatest zombie game ever created in RE4? This system had great games in every genre of games. So much so that if you personally only like just one or two genres of games still made it worth it to own this system. It had the ability to play DVDs, which at the time was a new concept. It took 0 adapting to the controller of the PS2 from the PS1. It may not be the greatest ever (I think it is), but it, at the very least, is in the conversation of the 2-4 systems one could in good conscience make an argument for.
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Dreamcast: home of the gimmicks.
I don't see it that way. What you describe as "gimmicks" are/is actually "innovation". You have to try new things in order to succeed. If they had not released interesting new products as well as the standard gaming goodies, how would the Dreamcast have differentiated itself from any other system? Yeah, these accessories may not have hit wide spread acceptance, but I can't fault them for trying or fault the many Dreamcast fans who enjoyed the system for this reason. Sony's dominance had a lot to do with the Dreamcast's short life. If the black monolith (PS2) had never reared its head, Dreamcast may have lasted a lot longer. The "gimmicks" are part of what made the Dreamcast interesting as a gaming console. A slight welcome departure from the constant genre repetition the game industry can sometimes produce.
A gimmick would also imply that none of these innovations were ever widely accepted, which is not true of all of them. The Wii profited greatly off of motion control. That is not to say they mimicked Sega's Samba De Amigo as there were many motion control devices in the past, but motion control was not a gimmick...................................just a fad :wink:
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Dreamcast: home of the gimmicks.
I don't see it that way. What you describe as "gimmicks" are/is actually "innovation". You have to try new things in order to succeed. If they had not released interesting new products as well as the standard gaming goodies, how would the Dreamcast have differentiated itself from any other system? Yeah, these accessories may not have hit wide spread acceptance, but I can't fault them for trying or fault the many Dreamcast fans who enjoyed the system for this reason. Sony's dominance had a lot to do with the Dreamcast's short life. If the black monolith (PS2) had never reared its head, Dreamcast may have lasted a lot longer. The "gimmicks" are part of what made the Dreamcast interesting as a gaming console. A slight welcome departure from the constant genre repetition the game industry can sometimes produce.
They had a crap ton of none gimmicky games, too, though! Virtua Tennis, Crazy Taxi, Ecco the Dolphin, Jet Set Radio (though it's not my favorite), MvC, freakin' Phantasy Star Online! Top class the Dreamcast is, though fishing reels and maracas were super lame imo.
A gimmick would also imply that none of these innovations were ever widely accepted, which is not true of all of them. The Wii profited greatly off of motion control. That is not to say they mimicked Sega's Samba De Amigo as there were many motion control devices in the past, but motion control was not a gimmick...................................just a fad :wink:
When Wii's motion controls came out, everyone called it a gimmick. I don't disagree.
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I'm very found of SNES and Dreamcast.
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Some friends and I actually had a big discussion about this earlier this year. I'll list below what I believe are the greatest US home consoles of all time. However, this list is NOT the same as my 10 favorite of all time. In fact, after thinking about it for days, I was surprised to find that my #1 pick for greatest console is nowhere near my favorite. Considering ALL things - hardware and library, I think SNES is the greatest console ever. (Again, I love SNES but I'd take a Genesis first any day). You simply can't deny that the SNES nailed it - great hardware, comfy controller with shoulder buttons, great library of truly amazing games. For all you PS2 lovers (the choice of a few of my friends also), I would have rated it higher but I had too many optical drive problems over the years.
Here's my list: Top 10 US Home Consoles of All Time
10. PS2
9. TG-16
8. Dreamcast
7. Vectrex
6. PS3
5. N64
4. Atari 2600
3. NES
2. Genesis
1. SNES
Those that didn't quite make it: Colecovision, Intellivision, PS1 and GameCube (though the GC controller is my favorite controller of all time)
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(after the almighty PCE off course) I'm most fond of the Dreamcast. I can play MvsC, Powerstone, Vampire, Crazy Taxi, Vanishing Point, etc any day.
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(after the almighty PCE off course) I'm most fond of the Dreamcast. I can play MvsC, Powerstone, Vampire, Crazy Taxi, Vanishing Point, etc any day.
If I have said it once I have said it many many times...
I am shocked...SHOCKED by the number of great Sega only games that I never got to play until the past three years when I put down the Nintendo lust and picked up some Sega stuff...
Dreamcast, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Genesis, Master System...I am constantly finding great great titles.....
I just hope the shift in attention does not happen just yet from Nintendo fandom to Sega in the Retro market.....I still have lots and lots of Sega games to pick up that I want to check off my want list before the prices start to get "Nintendarded"
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(after the almighty PCE off course) I'm most fond of the Dreamcast. I can play MvsC, Powerstone, Vampire, Crazy Taxi, Vanishing Point, etc any day.
If I have said it once I have said it many many times...
I am shocked...SHOCKED by the number of great Sega only games that I never got to play until the past three years when I put down the Nintendo lust and picked up some Sega stuff...
Dreamcast, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Genesis, Master System...I am constantly finding great great titles.....
I just hope the shift in attention does not happen just yet from Nintendo fandom to Sega in the Retro market.....I still have lots and lots of Sega games to pick up that I want to check off my want list before the prices start to get "Nintendarded"
SEGA! Oh yeah, have you acquired :
Genesis: Shadowrun (different than the snes version), Starflight, Buck Rogers, Musha, Trouble Shooter
Sega Cd: Heart of the Alien, Dark Wizard, Dungeon Explorer, Vay... and on and on.
Although some Sega CD and Saturn stuff can be ridiculously priced already. Very few DC games cost too much, which is good. I rarely see pricey Genesis stuff. One of my collector friends gave me his entire genesis collection for free. 6 or 7 systems and something like 50 or 60 games. He figured they were not worth bothering to sell them. I acquired a lot of good titles from that.
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Here's my list: Top 10 US Home Consoles of All Time
10. PS2
9. TG-16
8. Dreamcast
7. Vectrex
6. PS3
5. N64
4. Atari 2600
3. NES
2. Genesis
1. SNES
Those that didn't quite make it: Colecovision, Intellivision, PS1 and GameCube (though the GC controller is my favorite controller of all time)
I'm saddened by the low low ranking of the tg16 on your (your friends and yourself) list. I think somewhere a baby panda dies if the tg16 is not ranked properly at number 1 in any best of ranking. :cry:
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I'm saddened by the low low ranking of the tg16 on your (your friends and yourself) list. I think somewhere a baby panda dies if the tg16 is not ranked properly at number 1 in any best of ranking. :cry:
Considering only US consoles, it does pain me to rank it low-ish, but it's still there! Trust me, I have nothing but love for the Turbo. However, it did have some painful flaws, most notably the single controller port and having to buy the TurboBooster for improved a/v quality.
If I made a list of my personal favorite consoles, the TurboDuo would be up there, prob 1 or 2.
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N64 over PS1 makes that list a joke, anyway.
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N64 over PS1 makes that list a joke, anyway.
lol, ok but did you ever have to put something heavy on top of your N64 to get a game to play? Ever have to sit through a 2 or 3 minute loading screen while playing an N64 game?
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N64 over PS1 makes that list a joke, anyway.
lol, ok but did you ever have to put something heavy on top of your N64 to get a game to play? Ever have to sit through a 2 or 3 minute loading screen while playing an N64 game?
loading times were not that bad, and, waiting on lets say FFIX to load, was totally worth it.
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N64 is clearly a better choice over PS1. PS1 has a hundred terrible ass crap games for every one playable one. N64 was quality over quantity.
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N64 is clearly a better choice over PS1. PS1 has a hundred terrible ass crap games for every one playable one. N64 was quality over quantity.
I think the N64 is the slinky turd in this conversation. Besides Mario kart, Mario world, and the Zelda's, I would rather play double dragon on the 2600 than own a N64 again.
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N64 is clearly a better choice over PS1. PS1 has a hundred terrible ass crap games for every one playable one. N64 was quality over quantity.
:lol:
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The N64 is absolutely dwarfed by the PS1 with respect to the number of awesome titles. Anyone who places the 64 over the PS1 or even the Saturn hasn't properly played them. I'll maybe make an exception with the Saturn going by OP's definition of various attributes (N64 sold more than Saturn, but mostly because the Saturn tanked in the US). The PS1 though kills it on so many counts. Not only did the PS1 outsell the N64 3 to 1 worldwide, it doubled US sales, too. Mario may have been a big hit still, but more people were itching to play Final Fantasy VII (a game I don't even like), Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, Gran Turismo, and Tekken, to name some of their biggest hits. For every great game on the N64, there were two on the PS1. And even today, it holds up extremely well, with awesome fighters, shooters, and RPGs, all of which weren't really feasible on the N64 (or more likely were ignored by companies and even Nintendo itself).
That said, I'm not one of those haters who craps on anyone who likes the N64. I just know what is top 10 material and what isn't, and the N64 isn't.
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The N64 is absolutely dwarfed by the PS1 with respect to the number of awesome titles. Anyone who places the 64 over the PS1 or even the Saturn hasn't properly played them. I'll maybe make an exception with the Saturn going by OP's definition of various attributes (N64 sold more than Saturn, but mostly because the Saturn tanked in the US). The PS1 though kills it on so many counts. Not only did the PS1 outsell the N64 3 to 1 worldwide, it doubled US sales, too. Mario may have been a big hit still, but more people were itching to play Final Fantasy VII (a game I don't even like), Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, Gran Turismo, and Tekken, to name some of their biggest hits. For every great game on the N64, there were two on the PS1. And even today, it holds up extremely well, with awesome fighters, shooters, and RPGs, all of which weren't really feasible on the N64 (or more likely were ignored by companies and even Nintendo itself).
That said, I'm not one of those haters who craps on anyone who likes the N64. I just know what is top 10 material and what isn't, and the N64 isn't.
This +1
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And yet very little of these "good games" on PS1 are worth anyone's time now...
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False!
Alundra
Ape Escape
Breath of Fire III/IV
Breath of Fire IV
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
DonPachi/DoDonPachi
Dragon Warrior VII
Final Fantasy IX
King’s Field/II
Klonoa
MediEvil/2
Mega Man X4-X6
Metal Gear Solid
Namco Museum Volumes 1-5 + Encore
Oddworld: Abe’s Oddyssee
R-Type Delta
R-Types
RayCrisis
Twisted Metal
Vagrant Story
As I said, for every good game on the N64, I can name you two on either the PS1 or Saturn.
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And yet very little of these "good games" on PS1 are worth anyone's time now...
As are N64 games. The N64 can lick my taint.
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N64 is clearly a better choice over PS1. PS1 has a hundred terrible ass crap games for every one playable one. N64 was quality over quantity.
I don't know man. I've shared my dislike of the N64, but it has some good games. I can't agree with the quality of quantity stuff though. Wasn't that exactly what Nintendo kept saying because it was taking super long to get games out to market in the first year and there were not enough third party developers actually making games for it (in comparison to the PS1)? It always sounded like a defensive strategy to me. "Quality" games is so subjective anyway.
It reminds me of the Atari Jaguar strategy catch phrase, "Do the Math", because it had 2x32bit processors or something like that. Like some arbitrary quantification made the quality better somehow. Sour grapes that their console was faltering.
I still remember being super pumped for DOOM 64, enough to pay the ridiculous $109 + tax (from my recollection, which could be wrong) that it cost in Canada when it came out. I recently re-bought it for less than $10 after shipping costs. hehe.
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False!
Alundra
Ape Escape
Breath of Fire III/IV
Breath of Fire IV
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
DonPachi/DoDonPachi
Dragon Warrior VII
Final Fantasy IX
King’s Field/II
Klonoa
MediEvil/2
Mega Man X4-X6
Metal Gear Solid
Namco Museum Volumes 1-5 + Encore
Oddworld: Abe’s Oddyssee
R-Type Delta
R-Types
RayCrisis
Twisted Metal
Vagrant Story
As I said, for every good game on the N64, I can name you two on either the PS1 or Saturn.
Army Men Sarg's Heroes
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tootie
Battletanx: Global Assault
Clayfighters 63 1/3
Gauntlet Legends
Gex
Goldeneye
Indiana Jones Infernal Machine
Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 1-3
Mortal Kombat 4 (disasterously underrated)
NFL Blitz (all three of them)
Perfect Dark
Rampage
Resident Evil 2
Star Fox 64
Star Wars Shadows of the Empire
Super Smash Bros.
Tony Hawk (1, 2, or 3 but not all of them. They are all the same game really, and I only have the patience for about one game's worth of time.)
Turok (all 4 of them. Yes, even Rage Wars)
WCW World Tour and Revenge
World is not Enough 64
Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask
I just listed 32+ games in another thread for N64 that stand the test of time and I didn't have to list collections of games from other systems to do it. I say prove your point. Name me 60 good games for PS1 that stand the test of time. I'd also like to further prove MY point that N64 was quality over quantity as N64 had what? under 400 games for it? PS1 had over 1300 and I'd bet that well over a thousand of them are complete garbage.
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First, you and I have different ideas about what stands the test of time, as several of those games are either boring or horrendously outdated. NFL Blitz, MK4, Indiana Jones, etc. And Tony Hawk and Rampage are also found on other consoles. Still, you want 60, you got 60. You want it without Namco (nevermind the fact that those are arcade compilations)? Here you are.
1. Ace Combat 2
2. Alundra
3. Ape Escape
4. Breath of Fire III
5. Breath of Fire IV
6. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
7. Chrono Cross
8. Crash Bandicoot
9. Crash Bandicoot 2
10. Crash Bandicoot Warped
11. DarkStalkers 3
12. DonPachi
13. Dragon Warrior VII
14. Einhander
15. Final Fantasy IX
16. Final Fantasy Tactics
17. G-Darius
18. Galaga: Destination Earth
19. Gradius Gaiden
20. Guilty Gear
21. In the Hunt
22. King's Field
23. King's Field II
24. Klonoa
25. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
26. Legend of Dragoon
27. Legend of Legaia
28. MDK
29. MediEvil
30. MediEvil 2
31. Mega Man 8
32. Mega Man X4
33. Mega Man X5
34. Mega Man X6
35. Metal Gear Solid
36. Oddworld: Abe’s Oddyssee
37. Oddworld: Abe’s Exoddus
38. R-Type Delta
39. R-Types
40. RayCrisis
41. Ridge Racer 4
42. Shooter: Space Shot
43. Silent Hill
44. Silent Hill 2
45. Soul Reaver
46. Star Ocean: Second Story
47. Street Fighter Alpha 3
48. Strider 2
49. Suikoden
50. Suikoden II
51. Threads of Fate
52. Tomb Raider
53. Tomb Raider II
54. Tomb Raider III
55. Tomba!
56. Tomba! 2
57. Twisted Metal
58. Twisted Metal 2
59. Vagrant Story
60. Valkyrie Profile
61. Vandal Hearts
62. Vandal Hearts II
63. Wild 9
64. Wild Arms
65. Wild Arms 2
66. Wipeout 3
67. X-Com: Terror of the Deep
68. Xenogears
There you go, 60+ great games, without enough extra to appease any objections. I could even add more. I left off stuff I personally wasn't a fan of or were way better on other consoles (or since I have them on other consoles I forgot about them).
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wow, this thread is still going? :lol:
The greatest console debate will never die... Just like which is better, Coke or Pepsi? (clearly it's Coke)
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wow, this thread is still going? :lol:
The greatest console debate will never die... Just like which is better, Coke or Pepsi? (clearly it's Coke)
That debate was manufactured by Pepsi. No one actually like Pepsi better, and those that do don't matter.
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wow, this thread is still going? :lol:
The greatest console debate will never die... Just like which is better, Coke or Pepsi? (clearly it's Coke)
That debate was manufactured by Pepsi. No one actually like Pepsi better, and those that do don't matter.
wow, this thread is still going? :lol:
The greatest console debate will never die... Just like which is better, Coke or Pepsi? (clearly it's Coke)
I will fight you both right now. You're wrong and I'm right. Pepsi is better than Coke.
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I will fight you both right now. You're wrong and I'm right. Pepsi is better than Coke.
Royal Crown or GTFO.
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I will fight you both right now. You're wrong and I'm right. Pepsi is better than Coke.
Royal Crown or GTFO.
Crown Royal or GTFO.
Crown and Coke OR sippin on Crown Special Reserve. All are welcome.
(Edit: Pepsi still sucks.)
I'm glad I brought it up.
...and Sega is much better than Pepsi, but Coke is not as good as the PCE/TG16.
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Pepsi is on par with Turbo. I'll take FEKA over Coke any day.
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Pepsi and Coke are both good. I'm off of both though. Have to lose a few pounds.
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Pepsi and Coke are both good. I'm off of both though. Have to lose a few pounds.
No no man, I heard that if you drink Pepsi and Coke together it acts as a natural laxative. Those pounds just melt right off. But I'm off on a tangent. The NUON. Greatest console ever.
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No no man, I heard that if you drink Pepsi and Coke together it acts as a natural laxative. Those pounds just melt right off. But I'm off on a tangent.
Brilliant! I'll try that and post results.
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besides the pcengine, I would say ps2, n64 and neo geo
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Easily the PS2 when you take into account that it can play PS games.
Plenty for everyone in that library.
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Easily the PS2 when you take into account that it can play PS games.
Plenty for everyone in that library.
With the amount of undiscovered gems between the PS1 and PS2, who really needs the PS3? (not even getting into PS4 territory)
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Easily the PS2 when you take into account that it can play PS games.
Plenty for everyone in that library.
With the amount of undiscovered gems between the PS1 and PS2, who really needs the PS3? (not even getting into PS4 territory)
No one! But they craved the Blu-Ray. It's why I bought one. several years later I don't play my Xbox 360 or my PS4.....just my PS3 and 30 - 40 games. Great system, just took some time to get there.
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Easily the PS2 when you take into account that it can play PS games.
Plenty for everyone in that library.
But it can it play HuCards/Huckards/Hyucurds/Turbochips? I think not!
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New Happy Console Gamer video on his greatest console of all time
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g5g2nXov_Ic
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Pepsi and Coke are both good. I'm off of both though. Have to lose a few pounds.
No no man, I heard that if you drink Pepsi and Coke together it acts as a natural laxative. Those pounds just melt right off. But I'm off on a tangent. The NUON. Greatest console ever.
I might have to try that as well!!
Easily the PS2 when you take into account that it can play PS games.
Plenty for everyone in that library.
But it can it play HuCards/Huckards/Hyucurds/Turbochips? I think not!
hmmmm you do got a point there sir!
Easily the PS2 when you take into account that it can play PS games.
Plenty for everyone in that library.
most definitely! ps1 and 2 have almost every game for every genre you can think of. who needs a ps4?
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N64
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I thought the vote in that other thread was pretty decisive.
1st place - my package
Tie for 2nd - PCE and Non
/thread
The only thing you package takes first place on is being smaller than the PC engine. lol truly pocket size.