Greatest Console, all time

[ctophil]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Yeah, the Neo Geo was a souped up 16-bit system with an 8-bit co-processor (16 + 8 = 24-bit, advertised as a 24-bit system), definitely the most powerful console in 1990 until it got surpassed by the Philips CD-I in 1991.  The expensive price was one of its problems.  The other is that the library consisted mostly of fighting games, beat-em-ups, and shooters.  You can tell it was made for arcade games--mostly action-based.  This was why I didn't pick up the system back in the day.  Also, my parents definitely would not pay for anything past $200. 

I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.   

[Medic_wheat]

medic you are an idiot try to shove an AES cart in an MVS and tell me its the same board. Same game roms sure but not the same carts. You seem to miss the entire point of the Neo Geo. They are an ARCADE division that found a way to bring their games into your home using their successful cartridge format for arcade distribution. Why would they develop for the home market which was just another avenue to bring in money on vested technology? The money maker for them was the arcade at that time. I don't understand your lipstick analogy. It was SNKs console to compete in the market and they had something very unique and way ahead of its time. I guess the Playchoice-10 is just an ugly raped NES made to play in arcades? same with the Mega Tech since they don't have "lipstick"? The AES  is the home console of the MVS arcade system. Just like the Saturn / STV  and Dreamcast / Naomi.

Ok now you are really off the mark.

You cant compair a dream cast to its arcade counterpart because it didnt use the same technology

The AES and MVS were the same fliping thing. Yes SNK made their money on arcade units because they made their games interchanagble to the board running it.


The sega saturn and dreamcast where watered down ports of hardware the arcade was pushing.

Sure the naomi used those cd based games that needed that lockout chip per game but the dream cast wasnt nearly as powerfull as its arcade counterpart


Where as the AES and MVS use idential hard ware chip sets and cartridge. The case was diffrent and it was incompatable to thw MVS so arcade dealers couldnt buy a $200 dollar AES game and slap it on their arcades but yes. To me the AES and MVS used the same hardware and specs. At lest that is what I have always understood

[Medic_wheat]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Yeah, the Neo Geo was a souped up 16-bit system with an 8-bit co-processor (16 + 8 = 24-bit, advertised as a 24-bit system), definitely the most powerful console in 1990 until it got surpassed by the Philips CD-I in 1991.  The expensive price was one of its problems.  The other is that the library consisted mostly of fighting games, beat-em-ups, and shooters.  You can tell it was made for arcade games--mostly action-based.  This was why I didn't pick up the system back in the day.  Also, my parents definitely would not pay for anything past $200. 

I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.

Ugghh I stilm regreat pre ordering and kwwping that pile of crap. The neo geo x is poory constructed and does even worse emulation. Id rather buy a multi cart for my MVS then use a neo geo x.

Personal taste mind you.

[Medic_wheat]

"The MVS and AES hardware can execute identical machine code. Owners can move EPROMs from one type to the other, and the game will still run. The program specifics for both MVS and AES game options are contained on every game ROM, whether the cartridge is intended for home or arcade use. However, the arcade and home cartridges do have a different pinout. They were designed this way to prevent arcade operators from buying the cheaper home carts and then using them in arcades. It has been found that in a few home version games, one could unlock the arcade version of the game by inputting a special code." ~Wiki

I have looked but I can't sem to find anything that direclty compairs the hardware (what was used) between a AES and MVS system...eveyone just seems to compair the inital price of the system as it's big diffrence, and this one part about how the pin layout was diffrent to keep Arcade owners from using the then cheaper AES games on their MVS arcades ..... 

I am sure the answer is some where but I don't care to look at the moment.

If you can show that the technology used was diffrent in a AES system versus a MVS I'll consied that you are correct.

But apart from the lack of dip swithces, or that the MVS went from 1 slot to 6 slot boards and used daughter boards for the video out put in a AES system I fail to see how the hardware used in either the AES or MVS was diffrent.

Apart from video out put

Use of coin mech

Controller layout for use with a AES controller port

and pin layout to prevent the use of a non AES cart

I honestly fail to see any diffrence...when ever anyone has ever talked about the AES system it was always compaired as taking their Aracde system and putting it your home.. Aracde perfect sounds, graphics, and rom emulation ....

[Opethian]

The BIOS are different on each system. The winner don't use drugs logo from the arcade cannot be displayed on an AES as it lacks the tiles set to display properly. Its a home console version of the MVS you don't get it and you never will.

[cabbage]

[Medic_wheat]

The BIOS are different on each system. The winner don't use drugs logo from the arcade cannot be displayed on an AES as it lacks the tiles set to display properly. Its a home console version of the MVS you don't get it and you never will.

Having a diffrent BIOS was just to ONCE AGAIN keep the use of the then cheaper AES game from being used in a MVS arcade.

oh no winner's don't use drugs is missing it is a totally diffrent system!

I am asking you to state was the hardware used diffrent?

Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent? was there any major diffrence between a MVS and AES hardware that pumped out the video games used in either incarnation of the Neo Geo games?

[Opethian]

One has a test menu and one doesn't how are they the same again? The BIOS is different just get over it you clearly don't know shit about anything. If I publish the info in a wiki you would probably run with it as the gospel. Find other ways to boost your post count.

[tggodfrey]

The AES was marketed to large corporate hotel agencies as an in Hotel Arcade system for each room.  SNK didnt give a shit if your little 12 yr old could afford it.  They accomplished what they set out to do.

[Desh]

I am torn in this discussion.  I feel the NES has to be #1 based off of many factors:
It single handedly saved the home console market in NA.
It's library is huge and has all sorts of great games.
It's popularity was so huge that 3rd party developers were willing to do whatever it took to get on the system (including all of the unlawful stipulations Nintendo required).
Nintendo's marketing in this era was amazing.
Long lifespan that only finally ended because of Nintendo's next generation system.
It was easy for a casual gamer to pick up and play.
Other than the aged 72 pin issue on toasters, the hardware itself is damn reliable.

Where I have regret for the NES is this.  Although, it my have saved the industry it also stifled it.  Just imagine a NA library for TurboGrafx if 3rd party developers ported nicer looking games to TurboGrafx at the same time they were released on Nintendo's console(s).

I have to agree that PS2 is right up there.  Just think, if Nintendo would have just let Sony finish development and release a disc drive for the SNES, would Sony have ever ventured into the home console market?

There's no denying the success of the SNES but, I have a better connection to the Sega Genesis.  I like cheering for the underdog and, at the time, no one had come close to beating Nintendo in the North American market.

As far as a top 5 list of best home consoles based on sales, public opinion, support etc.  Here's mine:
1.) NES
2.) PS2
3.) SNES
4.) XBOX 360
5.) Genesis

As far as a current list of my personal favorite home consoles would probably look like this:
1.) NES
2.) TurboGrafx/ PCE
3.) Genesis
4.) XBOX 360
5.) GameCube

With all of this said, one of the main reasons I purchased my PS2 was that it played DVD's.  I thought the GameCube might be better but no DVD play and constantly getting burned by the N64's lack of allowing developers port popular games to it.  Oh yeah, they did finally release RE2 on N64 about 67 years after it first came out on PS1.

As far as the Neo Geo discussion goes.  Was it a success?  I think so, it did exactly what it set out to do.  Fill a higher end niche market with exact arcade ports.  Why is it not on my list?  It had a major impact in that it was the first home console to have the exact same game as found in an arcade but that's not enough for me.  It's cost made it not popular because few could afford it (still) and it was never marketed or sold to compete in the mass market.  Home can you compare that?  It's like comparing a Toyota Camry to the Bugatti Veyron.  Are there a shit ton of people that want both?  Sure.. out of that shit ton how many can buy the Veyron?  Out of those 2 cars which keeps the company that sells it afloat and profitable?  Just because the Veyron (like the Neo Geo) was the most powerful piece of hardware ever released to the public at that time, does that make it the greatest of all time?

[Necromancer]

Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent?

The Saturn is almost identical to the STV, with the same CPUs, VDP, sound chips, and ram; similarly, the Dreamcast and Naomi share almost identical hardware specs, with the only difference being that the Naomi has more ram.

But what difference does it make?  The AES is a home console, period.

[Arkhan]

This thread needs more JPop

[Medic_wheat]

Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent?

The Saturn is almost identical to the STV, with the same CPUs, VDP, sound chips, and ram; similarly, the Dreamcast and Naomi share almost identical hardware specs, with the only difference being that the Naomi has more ram.

But what difference does it make?  The AES is a home console, period.

Really?  Hu...I didn't know that about either of those two systems...I thought they had entirely diffrent everything...


Okay okay...find I retract my hissy fit Neo Geo AES arcade in a box statement...


I guess I am simply wrong on this one.....

[geise]

Yep.

[slinkyturd]

Look up the definition for "well received" and you'll find it has nothing to do with sales numbers.  Go back to the Veyron analogy: it's very expensive and they've only sold a few hundred of 'em, yet it has most certainly been well received.

You are dead wrong.  Get over it.

The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it.  Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.

That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.

We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.

I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant. I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.