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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: guyjin on January 19, 2007, 10:46:30 AM
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Here it is folks, the big one :P
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Um...PC Engine is not on that lost for some reason...
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SMS rules! Sonic, Wonderboy, R-Type, Ys, Phantasy Star, Miracle Warriors, Mickey Mouse, Asterix, Alex Kidd, Mortal Kombat, SF2, Need I go on???
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Hmmm... If you talk about the just the top titles, SMS blew the NES away, but NES had such a huge selection of games...
7800 reeked.
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Um...PC Engine is not on that lost for some reason...
... your honor, it was a justifiable homicide... :evil:
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Well as much as I love the SMS and other 8-bit devices, the NES is by far the best in my opinion. Not only in the 8-bit era, but gaming in general. It saved the game industry, became a huge icon, and had an incredible library of quality games.
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I love both the SMS and the NES. But the SMS edges out the NES for me. The 7800 can go to hell.
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The NES has much better games than the SMS so I definitely prefer that one...
However, there are a handful of good SMS games as well, really good ones, so I like that system a lot too. Plus, it has Ys. Any system with Ys on it is awesome. :wink:
I'm disgusted by everything that has the Atari name on it. Everything. Ugh. :lol:
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I'll have to say NES also. I liked the SMS a lot too, but I knew only one guy that had one. I did get to play some awesome SMS games like Zillion, but after I moved to Japan, it was NES/Famicom all the way.
Oh, and that first Fist of the North Star game on SMS rocked. :)
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Hey does anyone know if Atari 7800 can play Atari 5200 carts? If so, I need to get one.
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You guys diss the 7800 yet you're forgetting that they made one of the best games of all time on it: Ninja Golf? :P
But I had to vote for NES just for its incredible game library and RPGs.
Oh, and for the record, Ys I & II were also made for the Famicom. :wink:
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Hey does anyone know if Atari 7800 can play Atari 5200 carts? If so, I need to get one.
hell no. =; why anyone would want to touch the 5200 with a ten foot pole, i dunno.
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SMS no question. The NES had lots of good stuff in North America, but it doesn't provide the same experience for me. 8)
The PC Engine isn't part of the 8-bit generation, unless you go by the wiki's wacky logic. #-o
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Yeah SMS all the way, most NES games are total outdated shit that look and play like ass. At least the SMS could output some decent graphics without 500 helper chips in the cartridges, and the really good SMS games still hold up today. That was back when Sega could single handidly prop up a system and do a f*cking amazing job of it.
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My vote's for the NES and it's huge library of games. Besides the point - without the NES, I wouldn't have the Angry Nintendo Nerd to make me laugh.
However, there are a handful of good SMS games as well, really good ones, so I like that system a lot too. Plus, it has Ys. Any system with Ys on it is awesome. :wink:
NES had Ys too, but not in english or as good looking Compare the screen pics at Moby Games:
SMS - http://www.mobygames.com/game/sega-master-system/ys/screenshots
NES - http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/ys/screenshots
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Oh, and that first Fist of the North Star game on SMS rocked. :)
The US version, called "Black Belt", is way better. Much better music as well! Both are better than the mega-awesome "Last Battle" on the Genesis, which was voted the 3rd best videogame ever made.
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Um...PC Engine is not on that lost for some reason...
Hahaha, oh god. That is my favorite video gaming related troll ever, it really makes the Turbo nerds mad.
I'm just mad that you beat me to it. :-({|=
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Oh, and that first Fist of the North Star game on SMS rocked. :)
The US version, called "Black Belt", is way better. Much better music as well! Both are better than the mega-awesome "Last Battle" on the Genesis, which was voted the 3rd best videogame ever made.
Yeah, that's the name! I couldn't remember what it was called. That was probably the first SMS game I ever played. I loved the boss battles and the finishing moves. :) At that time, I'd never heard of Fist of the North Star.
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The US version, called "Black Belt", is way better. Much better music as well! Both are better than the mega-awesome "Last Battle" on the Genesis, which was voted the 3rd best videogame ever made.
I had no idea that "Black Belt" was a Fist of the North Star game. I guess that makes that whole enemies blowing up thing make sense.
This is kinda of a deja vu, cause I didn't know that Last Battle was also a FotNS game until years later. It all made sense too afterwards after I found out... (the whole shirt-rippin' power-ups, the boss finishing moves, etc) Man that was a hard-ass game. I think I beat it *once*, and was never able to achieve that feat again. And Last Battle was the first Genny game that I bought. I wonder what the hell I did with it? Hmmm...
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Hahaha, oh god. That is my favorite video gaming related troll ever, it really makes the Turbo nerds mad.
I'm just mad that you beat me to it. :-({|=
Calling the Turbo 8-bit around here usually won't start fights. However mentioning TG16, Genesis, and SNES in the same sentence will :) .
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Um...PC Engine is not on that lost for some reason...
Hahaha, oh god. That is my favorite video gaming related troll ever, it really makes the Turbo nerds mad.
I'm just mad that you beat me to it. :-({|=
Mainly because people around here actually remember that the PCE/TG were part of the 16 bit generation, not the 8 bit generation. In other words...we know our shit.
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I hated how they removed all the blood from the Last Battle cart.
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NES had Ys too, but not in english or as good looking
Yeah I know, that's why I chose NES as my favorite. :wink: Nah, seriously though.. Ys 1-3 on Famicom are the worst versions of those three games, but they still rule! :D Ys 1 SMS is my first and favorite Ys game ever. It doesn't really hold up today, but I still love it for nostalgic reasons.
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NES all the way. I love SMS and we had a nice little community of SMS owners where I grew up, but NES just had tons of great games.
SMS was the TG-16 of the pure 8-bitters in North America, as far as I'm concerned.
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SMS was the TG-16 of the pure 8-bitters in North America, as far as I'm concerned.
...which makes the 7800 the Genesis of 8 bitters? you're being too kind. :p
I figured the poll would eventually swing one way or the other, but we seem to be split exactly halfway when it comes to the NES Vs. SMS. if only console sales were more like that...
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SMS was the TG-16 of the pure 8-bitters in North America, as far as I'm concerned.
...which makes the 7800 the Genesis of 8 bitters? you're being too kind. :p
I figured the poll would eventually swing one way or the other, but we seem to be split exactly halfway when it comes to the NES Vs. SMS. if only console sales were more like that...
You have Nintendo to thank for that. [-X
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NES had Ys too, but not in english or as good looking Compare the screen pics at Moby Games:
You can find a translated version of the Famicom Ys at this site (http://www.vimm.net/).
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NES/Famicom all the way.
Btw i don't have a problem with the sms i gave it a chance years ago.
I'd pick it up from ebay and gave it a try for fun since i didn't own one then.
While it's graphics and sound did impress me. It's lack of games that i enjoy on the nes wasn't, there and... it's loose controlls annoey the hell out of me.
So befor long i sold the whole thing i just perfer the nes more.
As for Atari 7800 never got into it so dunno.
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While it's graphics and sound did impress me. It's lack of games that i enjoy on the nes wasn't, there and... it's loose controlls annoey the hell out of me.
I always find it strange when people say things like this. The whole reason I buy other consoles and systems is to play a different range and style of games. The SMS is way different to the NES, which is way different from the AES, which is different from the PCE etc. etc. For example, to me the NES games in general were aimed at a slightly younger gamer than the SMS - if you look at the range of games in general you can see that. Nothing wrong with either, but as I said - that's why I enjoy collecting for different consoles. I would never discount say the PCE because it 'doesn't have the same range of games as the Genesis'. And it's not as if the SMS catalogue is limited - there are well over 300 individual games to get hold of plus a world of variations for those who like that kind of thing (I can never be bothered).
As for the controls - that's just the standard ones, (which in my opinion are a lot better than the NES ones anyway, my hand almost goes into cramp after about 30 mins on an original NES controller) there are a lot better official sega controllers and third party ones...
Before anyone get's annoyed, that's just my opinion - and I collect for and play both systems and love the SMS & the NES!
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NES/Famicom all the way.
Btw i don't have a problem with the sms i gave it a chance years ago.
I'd pick it up from ebay and gave it a try for fun since i didn't own one then.
While it's graphics and sound did impress me. It's lack of games that i enjoy on the nes wasn't, there and... it's loose controlls annoey the hell out of me.
So befor long i sold the whole thing i just perfer the nes more.
As for Atari 7800 never got into it so dunno.
I think the problem was just your lack of knowledge of SMS games. Not only is there a ton of great games that were released in North America, there're hundreds(?) more that were released internationally that can be played without any converters/mods. It's pretty much exactly the same deal as the TurboGrafx-16.
As for the loose controls, I know that every game doesn't have crap gameplay, so I'm assuming the problem was your pad. The standard SMS pads with the joystick knob work great, but you can also use any Genesis pad as well. I usually use the Genesis 6-button controller.
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NES/Famicom all the way.
Btw i don't have a problem with the sms i gave it a chance years ago.
I'd pick it up from ebay and gave it a try for fun since i didn't own one then.
While it's graphics and sound did impress me. It's lack of games that i enjoy on the nes wasn't, there and... it's loose controlls annoey the hell out of me.
So befor long i sold the whole thing i just perfer the nes more.
As for Atari 7800 never got into it so dunno.
I think the problem was just your lack of knowledge of SMS games. Not only is there a ton of great games that were released in North America, there're hundreds(?) more that were released internationally that can be played with any converters/mods. It's pretty much exactly the same deal as the TurboGrafx-16.
As for the loose controls, I know that every game doesn't have crap gameplay, so I'm assuming the problem was your pad. The standard SMS pads with the joystick knob work great, but you can also use any Genesis pad as well. I usually use the Genesis 6-button controller.
I think what you meant is that the European games released can be played WITHOUT any kind of adaptor! lol! Probably just a typo! Yeah, there are a lot more that were released in other countries including Europe and Japan. There really are a vast amunt of awesome SMS games out there!
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Aren't there some PAL games that freak out on NTSC systems? like Back to the future III?
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Yeah, if I remember rightly that may be the only one, but I think there may be literally 2 or 3 at the very most, which out of 300+ pal games is not many!
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Kinda like Generation NEX's <1% incompatibility. But some people still get upset about that. :roll:
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Kinda like Generation NEX's <1% incompatibility. But some people still get upset about that. :roll:
Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison actually! Shame that the PCE / Turbografx has major compatibility issues without a HUcard convertor eh! :wink: And yet it is still our console of choice!
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Kinda like Generation NEX's <1% incompatibility. But some people still get upset about that. :roll:
Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison actually! Shame that the PCE / Turbografx has major compatibility issues without a HUcard convertor eh! :wink: And yet it is still our console of choice!
Yeah, but the CD's play fine either way and there should be at least as many PCE CD games as SMS carts. :wink:
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Kinda like Generation NEX's <1% incompatibility. But some people still get upset about that. :roll:
If you really want to get techincal about it, the NEX's compatibility out of the box is actually BETTER than an NES since it can also natively play Famicom carts without a converter. :dance:
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NES/Famicom all the way.
Btw i don't have a problem with the sms i gave it a chance years ago.
I'd pick it up from ebay and gave it a try for fun since i didn't own one then.
While it's graphics and sound did impress me. It's lack of games that i enjoy on the nes wasn't, there and... it's loose controlls annoey the hell out of me.
So befor long i sold the whole thing i just perfer the nes more.
As for Atari 7800 never got into it so dunno.
I think the problem was just your lack of knowledge of SMS games. Not only is there a ton of great games that were released in North America, there're hundreds(?) more that were released internationally that can be played without any converters/mods. It's pretty much exactly the same deal as the TurboGrafx-16.
As for the loose controls, I know that every game doesn't have crap gameplay, so I'm assuming the problem was your pad. The standard SMS pads with the joystick knob work great, but you can also use any Genesis pad as well. I usually use the Genesis 6-button controller.
Oh i know what's on the system games like zillon,phantasy star,psycho fox and alex the kidd etc.
Still afther owning the system i found out it just wasn't for me.
When i had it i spent more time on my neo-geo,famicom and pce far as retro gaming go's.
SMS was sitting there and collecting dust... so if i wasn't playing it i didn't see the point of keeping the console.
During it's heyday when the i had a nes frist i wanted a sms as well.
By the time i got the system i found out it wasn't for me.
It's all about what your taste in gaming is and the, NES filled my need in what i wanted in a 8-bit system.
Maybe when i get a Wii and if sega offers SMS games as VC title's i'll give it go.
Still that's far as i'm willing to go.
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Man this tie between NES and SMS just keeps getting bigger and bigger :) . It's at 10/10 right now. Unfortunately still 0% for poor Atari 7800 :( (I gotta get one of these now).
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
When i had a sms i gave chop lifter a try a classic game indeed.
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
i loled.
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
Hahahahaha!!!! I'm so glad someone picked that up! I just looked at the board coz I'm just out of bed and was seeing what had been posted from when I was on last night, and I HATE it when people call the game Alex the Kidd! Could NEVER understand it. Different if his name was Alex KID because then it would be a smple mistake to make. But what the hell is a KIDD???? People who say that 99% of the time are those who have never really given the system a fair shake, coz they don't even know the name of one it's best and most popular games! But, at the same time, if someone says they don't like a system there is usually little point trying to change their mind.
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
It's been a long time since I laughed this much at something on the Internet! :D
Edit: Still laughing.
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To be honest "Alex the Kidd" does sound cool though.
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
Don't forget The Boy Wonder III : Curse the Dragon. :P
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You should play more SMS games besides Alex the Kidd. Also try: Psycho the Fox, Space the Harrier, Out the Run, Wonder the Boy in Monster the Land, Chop the Lifter and of course Missile the Defense 3D!
Don't forget The Boy Wonder III : Curse the Dragon. :P
Hey.... Hey.... My turn!..... What about The Ninja?!?..... Oh wait, that actually IS its name..... :D
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The poll is at NES - 11, SMS - 10 so far. I believe this is the first time that the NES has outnumbered the SMS in the poll so far. This is getting interesting 8) .
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Haha throwing in "THE" is fun as hell..
Great the Football
Great the Basketball
Astro the Warrior
Aerial the Assault
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put my vote for NES-
Truly can't figure out why anyone would vote otherwise........
TurboSage
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put my vote for NES-
Truly can't figure out why anyone would vote otherwise........
As I've said before, I collect for both SMS & NES, both are completely different systems with a different range of games that will appeal to different people. Nothing personal, but what I've quoted is a really dumb statement to make.
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put my vote for NES-
Truly can't figure out why anyone would vote otherwise........
TurboSage
The SMS has more than enough great fun games and many people had them back in the day.
I don't know anything about Atari.
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put my vote for NES-
Truly can't figure out why anyone would vote otherwise........
TurboSage
Because the Master System rocks you hard with MEGA POWER and blows you away with super fantastic games that you can't get anywhere else! Plus Master System fans don't sign their posts. Instead, they use the extra memory for great sentences like this one!
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The only good thing about the 7800 was that you could play 2600 games on it, my friend had one and we spent more time playing old ass 2600 games than 7800 games.
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That's another thing that was great about the Master System... you couldn't play 2600 games on it. :)
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That's another thing that was great about the Master System... you couldn't play 2600 games on it. :)
I love that argument! Even the NES could play 2600 games. :wink: (http://www.romnation.net:81/rn/screenshots/11950.jpg)
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Granted the Master System didn't have the sheer number of titles released for it the Nes had stateside in stores,if you mail ordered from Sega or import shops you could easily get some awesome titles for it which kinda evened the score some depending on what you liked playing. For what its worth,I perfer the Master System more because its titles were more of what I played. Ill take its arcade ports,and its independent titles any day of the week over the Nes arcade ports and Nes originals. Not that I dont like the Nes,I do to a extent,but the stuff I enjoy the Master System did better.
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You can find a translated version of the Famicom Ys at this site (http://www.vimm.net/).
Thanks, Dark Fact - I'm checking it out now. There's no such thing as bad Ys or too much. :)
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both are completely different systems with a different range of games that will appeal to different people. Nothing personal, but what I've quoted is a really dumb statement to make.
sorry for the dumb statement. I just have far too many great nes memories. Had my parent's gotten me a Sega Master System back in the christmas of '87 I probably would have a totally different opinion. =) I actually do have one now- what are some of the absolute BEST games for it? (So I know what to look for)
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both are completely different systems with a different range of games that will appeal to different people. Nothing personal, but what I've quoted is a really dumb statement to make.
sorry for the dumb statement. I just have far too many great nes memories. Had my parent's gotten me a Sega Master System back in the christmas of '87 I probably would have a totally different opinion. =) I actually do have one now- what are some of the absolute BEST games for it? (So I know what to look for)
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Ys
Golden Axe Warrior
Golvellius
Wonder Boy 3
Alex the Kidd
That's it. That's my list of PERFECTION.
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both are completely different systems with a different range of games that will appeal to different people. Nothing personal, but what I've quoted is a really dumb statement to make.
sorry for the dumb statement. I just have far too many great nes memories. Had my parent's gotten me a Sega Master System back in the christmas of '87 I probably would have a totally different opinion. =) I actually do have one now- what are some of the absolute BEST games for it? (So I know what to look for)
TurboSage<----signature alert!
Shinobi
Zillion
Kenseiden
Wonderboy (all)
R-Type
Reggie Jackson Baseball *
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It brings tears to my eyes when people recommend sports games. :cry:
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It brings tears to my eyes when people recommend sports games. :cry:
* The best game endorsed by Reggie Jackson.
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Phantasy Star, Spy vs Spy,Ninja Gaiden,Kenseiden,Castle of Illusion,Ghouls N Ghost,Fantasy Zone,Choplifter,Lord of the Sword,Spellcaster,Bubble Bobble,Cloud master, and alot of others make my list of good titles,along with the ones listed by others.
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I used to own Golden Axe Warrior, complete, and I played it a lot. I think I sold it! Probably to get something like E-Swat for the Genesis.
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As well as those mentioned, Mortal Kombat (either I or II - stay away from III, it's awful!), Ren & Stimpy (although you'll struggle to get it - it's brazilian Import only), Any of the disney titles - Mickey mouse in Castle of Illusion, Land of Illusion or Legend of Illusion, Donald Duck in Lucky dime caper or deep duck trouble, Lion King etc. Golvellius, Xenon II, Any of the Sonic Games, Micro Machines (it's awesome!!!).
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Wow, bubble bobble came out for the SMS? i must find it!
Also, as for Spy vs. Spy; is it anything like the NES game, or is it something different? and, most importantly, is it 2 player?
I don't think anyone has mentioned Miracle Warriors yet; i'm not too impressed, but some people think it's great.
Some of the Wonderboy games are better than others; my personal favorite is #3, 'the dragon's trap'.
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Also, as for Spy vs. Spy; is it anything like the NES game, or is it something different? and, most importantly, is it 2 player?
I can't remember what the NES one was like, but I think it's the same game; don't quote me on that. Also I am pretty sure it's two players.
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Also, as for Spy vs. Spy; is it anything like the NES game, or is it something different? and, most importantly, is it 2 player?
I can't remember what the NES one was like, but I think it's the same game; don't quote me on that. Also I am pretty sure it's two players.
Actaulity (Spy Vs Spy) started out... as a pc game such as showing up on computers like the Commodore 64 etc.
Wich in turn was ported to the NES&SMS consoles.
Still it was a good use for a licenese game though it's fun, trying to outwit a friend in 2p mode.
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Ahh I figured as much, thanks for filling me in.
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Wow, bubble bobble came out for the SMS? i must find it!
Also, as for Spy vs. Spy; is it anything like the NES game, or is it something different? and, most importantly, is it 2 player?
I don't think anyone has mentioned Miracle Warriors yet; i'm not too impressed, but some people think it's great.
Some of the Wonderboy games are better than others; my personal favorite is #3, 'the dragon's trap'.
Bubble Bobble SMS is as arcade perfect as graphics got back then. All it's missing is FM sound.
Miracle Warriors is the best. If you're used to modern games, it may be hard to adjust.
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Bubble Bobble SMS is as arcade perfect as graphics got back then. All it's missing is FM sound.
Miracle Warriors is the best. If you're used to modern games, it may be hard to adjust.
yeah, I find it easier to get into old games that I played 'back in the day' than ones i've never played before, and I suspect that's the reason.
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Bubble Bobble SMS is as arcade perfect as graphics got back then. All it's missing is FM sound.
Miracle Warriors is the best. If you're used to modern games, it may be hard to adjust.
yeah, I find it easier to get into old games that I played 'back in the day' than ones i've never played before, and I suspect that's the reason.
For me it's probably the opposite - I love getting games that I probably wanted when I was a kid but couldn't afford - (nobody could afford a collection of like 100+ games when I was young, I think the most games I had was about 35 - 40 and I was damn proud of that!) - So playing all these games now still gives me a thrill!
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Well, I guess it all depends on the game. Some games just simply age better than others.
For me, that's especially true for certain genres. I can play a lot of old-school RPGs for the first time and still have fun with it, whereas old school racing games just don't cut it for me anymore - they're so much better now.
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For me it's probably the opposite - I love getting games that I probably wanted when I was a kid but couldn't afford - (nobody could afford a collection of like 100+ games when I was young, I think the most games I had was about 35 - 40 and I was damn proud of that!) - So playing all these games now still gives me a thrill!
Same here!
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For me, that's especially true for certain genres. I can play a lot of old-school RPGs for the first time and still have fun with it, whereas old school racing games just don't cut it for me anymore - they're so much better now.
There's a very good reason for that...RPGs aren't as focused on the visual aspect of the game, whereas racing games are entirely visual. Also there's the mechanical issue...older racing games don't quite have the range of freedom that newer ones have (most old racers don't let you drive backwards on the track for example, this has been a mainstay in almost all 3D racing games for the past 10 years) .
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Yeah, I suppose that's pretty much it.
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For me it's probably the opposite - I love getting games that I probably wanted when I was a kid but couldn't afford - (nobody could afford a collection of like 100+ games when I was young, I think the most games I had was about 35 - 40 and I was damn proud of that!) - So playing all these games now still gives me a thrill!
Same here!
Me three :).