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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: _joshuaTurbo on March 04, 2008, 03:40:01 PM
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Post here anytime one of us puts up an AUCTION!!
Heres My First->
http://www.gamegavel.com/auction_details.php?name=N64-LOT-Nintendo-64-COMPLETE-all-Hookups--4-controllers-PLUS-MORE&auction_id=100316
Hope to see alot more people getting signed up for this site- its a HELL of a lot more reliable than eGay! With all of their Bogus listing Fee's and insane rules and regulations, its nice to finally see an alternative!
Edit: here's my seller/user account page if anyones interested:
http://www.gamegavel.com/user_reputation.php?user_id=100063
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I'm not going to be listing anything on here or bidding currently because Id feel bad cheating fellow members here out of their stuff at unrealistically low prices.. To be honest,not enough time was spent promoting it in advance,so there was no hype or anything. I cant afford to let stuff go so cheap. I think instead of being in a rush to beat Rover to the punch DW Jacen should have spent 2 months building up advertising and getting the word out there. I also dont like the interface.
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Gee, Michael, it sounds like what you need is...eBay?
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Until a separate site is done better,yea Im sticking to ebay. I was hoping Rover was still going to do something auction site wise. If Game Gavel somehow picks up in a few months with lots of items being listed AND lots of bids taking place,and the layout gets better,I will reconsider then.
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If Game Gavel somehow picks up in a few months with lots of items being listed AND lots of bids taking place,and the layout gets better,I will reconsider then.
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The only way that will happen is if people like you help......
If your worried about selling too cheap just take it one item at a time, as time goes by I'm sure business will pick up. I only listed two items, two that I really couldn't care less if they sold for .99 anyway......
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The only kinda stuff I sell unfortunately is higher dollar items,so even listing one at a time wont do any good. Its also not mine or any one else's job/obligation to help Game Gavel out.I don't plan to take losses on items just for the sake of doing Game Gavel a favor. I know this sucks,but strictly from a business sense its up to us to do whats best for ourselves as sellers or buyers and use the site that gets us what we want the most.
Its a double edge sword. People are not going to bid much on there,esp if they know they can win items cheap,and sellers are not going to list better value items there either due to knowing the bidders are aware of this,or until there are just so many people selling on there that the selection of items boost quite a bit.
Yahoo auctions suffered a similar fate due to this,and the game area was always barren.
If the site would have had more promotion in advance all over the place the pre-exposure right off the bat would have been better,and the chance for better listings would have happened. Now its a uphill battle.Its going to take some time and heavy hitting forums and game sites before business picks up. Besides all that,the other thing is that ebays new fee system was actually better on the types of items I sell in some ways. The only complaint I have right now is their plans for feedback left for buyers.
Like I said,until something better shows up,Ill stick with ebay. Strictly from a business sense,its the best thing for me right now so I have to. I'm not going to list Pc Engine games,PC-FX systems,jamma boards,or region modded Saturns on a site where my item isn't going to sell,or sells for too little to be worth it. I'm obviously not the only one sharing this opinion. When I sell items,I at least like to break even or make a small profit,not take in multiple losses,even for friends and fellow forum members.
Its also why I'm not bidding on items on there right now. I just don't feel its fair to nab items from my friends or fellow members so cheaply when they were hoping for a bit more or because they listed items for the sake of helping DW Jacen out. They would be obligated to sell these items to me at large losses and on any level that would suck.
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Well all I can say, Michael Helgeson, is that that is a total bullshit stance. About half of your posts here are bitching about eBay shit, and then you go and say you won't use an alternative because...well, you gave a bunch of capitalist reasons for using eBay that are all the same capitalist reasons Redfrog has for using eBay. They are just better at it than you. You really have no right to complain about eBay, or its greedy scum sellers, ever again since you just basically described yourself as a third tier Redfrog.
I haven't chimed in much on all this eBay crap, mainly because I really don't have a problem with eBay. I've never been screwed, and I've been using it for a decade. I don't like how their fees keep going up, and BIN-only sales are BS, IMO, but overall its f*cking great. If I did have a problem with them, I simply wouldn't use them. True they have a near monopoly, but its a near monopoly on useless shit you can get elsewhere so its not like you have to use them.
See: the WalMart episode of South Park for a Michael Helgeson parable.
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Well all I can say, Michael Helgeson, is that that is a total bullshit stance. About half of your posts here are bitching about eBay shit,
I bitch about bad sellers. I don't start threads about or go out of my way to bitch about ebay themselves.Nor do I refer to ebay as Evil bay like other members here have done. In all ebay themselves have not been that bad to me so I dont have the same complaints about ebay themselves as most people do. My complaints tend to be directed towards certain sellers.
Bad sellers can appear anywhere on the net,including popping up on Game Gavel. I don't just relate bad sellers to ebay only. [-X Also,I'm not in it to make 100-200-300 percent profit. You have never ever dealt with me business wise,so you can shut the f*ck up before you comment on my business practices Zeta. You don't know shit. The only people who have a right to talk about my own business practices are people who have experience dealing with me,Like Rover or Nat here.
and then you go and say you won't use an alternative because...well, you gave a bunch of capitalist reasons for using eBay that are all the same capitalist reasons Redfrog has for using eBay. They are just better at it than you. You really have no right to complain about eBay, or its greedy scum sellers, ever again since you just basically described yourself as a third tier Redfrog.
I wont use a alternative if its not going to help me out in at least making my money back,or a little profit,as said above. Whats the point in switching over to something that only helps me take loses,f*ck that. You clearly don't understand what I said above,or you simply think its mine or anyone else's obligation as a group to lose out on anything we sell in order to help a site.
Its clearly not and this isn't 1980ies Communist Russia,so I can use whatever site I please. Also,comparing me to Red Frog is clearly idiotic. Its never been my goal to sell items for 300 times their value,not send people their items,poorly pack them,purchase insurance the buyer paid for against loss,or buy out companies who had prior history and run their names even further into the ground.
There is nothing stopping this from currently happening elsewhere on the net,so its not just ebay related,and Red Frog could always create a id of some type and sell items on Game Gavel.Ive also when at all possible offered up Turbo items here first before listing them on ebay. You can always scour my past post even way back to 2005-2006 to see I have done so.
Also,as said above,I would feel bad if I won crap for way below its value from members on here,so I am choosing not to bid on things on Game Gavel due to this to keep from ripping fellow members off. Morally its the correct thing for me to do. Maybe not for you,but for me it is and thats my choice. Only a a$$hole would be set out to win their friends items at extremely cheap prices.
Check this link:
http://myworld.ebay.com/amakusashirosouthtownhaven
Compare my feed back to theirs. Big difference on how many ebay members Ive pissed off to how many Red Frog has.
You think your such a great guy Zeta and you want to be so damn different from me,fight ebay,help Game Gavel out,ect...then start listing your own stuff up on Game Gavel yourself en masse,but either way don't you dare tell me Im no better then Red Frog.
I haven't chimed in much on all this eBay crap, mainly because I really don't have a problem with eBay. I've never been screwed, and I've been using it for a decade. I don't like how their fees keep going up, and BIN-only sales are BS, IMO, but overall its f*cking great. If I did have a problem with them, I simply wouldn't use them. True they have a near monopoly, but its a near monopoly on useless shit you can get elsewhere so its not like you have to use them.
See: the WalMart episode of South Park for a Michael Helgeson parable.
Ok,you just ranted about me for stating my reasons for staying with ebay,yet you yourself are supporting staying with them basically. WTF is that all about. As I said,my problems with ebay themselves are minimal,I don't start threads about them or go out of my way to complain about them themselves as a company. Its certain sellers I have issues with. Get over yourself. :roll:
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I would have to agree with Michael here. While I hope Game Gavel does well, there is no way I would have put any of my sealed games up there (that are on eBay) for no one or just a few limited people to bid on, and get for dirt cheap, when I am selling the stuff in the first place to put the money towards other items. It would be a complete waste of my time and effort. If I put anything up there, I would be getting nowhere near half the bids I am now, on any of the stuff I am selling. How many members does Game Gavel have? Not enough for me to risk only getting 30$ (or possibly even less) on my sealed copy of Lunar or Final Fantasy 8, not to mention any of the other items I am selling, just so someone can turn around, and make a profit off of me by putting it on eBay, just because I decided to help. Who is helping who at that point? Also, you can bring up the point of, 'Well that could happen on eBay too', and while yes, it could, the likely hood is next to nihil.
I thought about bidding on stuff myself as well, to snag a few cheap games, but Michael is right as well, it's not fair to any of the sellers if you get all their stuff for .99, when you and I know damn well, that the same stuff, given a larger audience, such as eBay or elsewhere, wouldn't sell for .99. Now, you can say, 'Well I have seen so and so item go for that on eBay before!" - While that may be true for maybe 1 auction, put the same item up again, and the same fate, depending on the particular item, will not hold true at all, as long as it is something worth buying. I can't honestly think of many games that are only worth .99 cents, except for ones that are absolute ass, and what good is a game auction site with barely any members and 'legendary shit games'?
If a seller that signs up on there and lists items specifically to 'help the site out' ends up having all their items go for below average value (or worse), who is that helping? NO ONE. What that will do however is make that seller think twice about ever listing anything up there again, if at all.
While I completely understand what turbostar said about helping, and that is fine, because yes, it does take multiple auctions being up to keep the site going, the site did not have enough exposure prior. I haven't seen a single ad anywhere. I've only seen it mentioned once on the Neo forums...and that was by someone not even associated with the site, asking about where to sell Neo Geo Bootlegs and Conversion carts. Assembler forums: no posts. I could search more on other forums, but why waste my time? Dragon Warrior Jasen wanted to jump the gun ahead of Rover, while he (Dragon Warrior Jasen) was busy beating around the bush in the first place. Rover started saying that he was going to do it, and all of the sudden GameGavel is up shortly after, with no real preparations.
So tell me again, why should ANYONE put their items up on a site that has made no preparations to promote itself prior, and no one is talking about elsewhere, just so myself and others can risk all their items going for next to nothing, just to give a helping hand to a site that the owner didn't even bother promoting?
I mean I would much rather look at a GameGavel banner ad, than these stupid ads on Yahoo, 'How Do I Become a?'
(http://quoth09.mystarband.net/auctions/clipart.png)(http://quoth09.mystarband.net/auctions/pumpkin.png)
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It's like Pokemon...Gotta Catch 'em All! If that spam can be put on my Yahoo Mail!, then why can't Game Gavel promote itself on there? I have even seen eBay ads and plenty of others on Yahoo, and other sites.
As for the evilBay comment, same goes for me here too; I have never called it evilBay, in fact that name is retarded. The only thing evil about the site is the new CEO, and a$$hole sellers that don't send shit out, like Red Frog and a few others. They as a whole make eBay look bad. I have been on there since I was 18, and I'm 27 now. I have made some nice money selling my own stuff, as well as selling other people's items for them. I don't have a problem with the site for the most part, because I know how to use it, and I enjoy buying items off of there most of the time. I have gotten plenty of items off of there at nice prices, as well as items that I wouldn't have been able to get elsewhere. Anyone else that has a problem with the site due to sellers and then they don't file the proper complaints; I don't feel sorry for those people. People that let themselves get ripped off when they can do something about it, are weak, and basically screwing over other eBay members by not doing anything about it, because the same seller can go off and do the same thing to other people, and if those do nothing about it, etc. etc. The seller continues to stay on there, and then you or someone you know has the same thing happen, and now you have people calling the site evilBay, because people were too damn spineless to do something about it. Would you let a department store do that to you? Of course not. What is so different about online?
Also Zeta, not sure what items you are buying on there, but if they are 'useless shit' then why the hell aren't you buying useful things? I buy arcade boards, video games, movies, music and plenty of other useful items that I care to own. I can't think of anything on there that I have bought that is useless, unless the seller lied about the item, or it didn't work in the first place. Kinda funny because half the people on here buy their games and stuff off of eBay...so you are basically saying that Turbo and PC Engine games are 'useless shit'...now what was the reason you are here on this site again? :lol:
I guess if everything I buy off of eBay is 'useless shit', then I should just put it on Game Gavel to 'help'. I don't know where logic like that comes from, but Zeta, if you think Game Gavel is so great, throw your entire KLF collection on there so I can get it all for next to nothing. :P
Seriously though, when the site starts doing what it is supposed to, gets more members, and has more exposure, I will more than consider throwing some items up. Until then, I hope the best for it, and hope the person running the site tries to do what he should have already done for it.
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Also,as said above,I would feel bad if I won crap for way below its value from members on here,so I am choosing not to bid on things on Game Gavel due to this to keep from ripping fellow members off.
If you believe, like many do here, that turbo goods (and other gaming merch) are overpriced, then it makes sense to go where prices are lower.
If I ever sold anything, I would do so on game gavel - Yes, I would receive less compensation, but that is an exchange I'm willing to accept for being able to get what I want cheaper.
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Also,as said above,I would feel bad if I won crap for way below its value from members on here,so I am choosing not to bid on things on Game Gavel due to this to keep from ripping fellow members off.
If you believe, like many do here, that turbo goods (and other gaming merch) are overpriced, then it makes sense to go where prices are lower.
If I ever sold anything, I would do so on game gavel - Yes, I would receive less compensation, but that is an exchange I'm willing to accept for being able to get what I want cheaper.
99 cents to 2-3 bucks per title is just a little too cheap except on Keith Courage and the sports titles. I don't believe in price gouging,and I like a good deal at times for sure,but I def believe in getting the items value when I sell it,and I wouldn't feel so great about myself if I was winning others stuff for too low a bid amount,esp people I know,simply because they were trying to help DWJ out by listing stuff on his site.
I think the best thing anyone can do right now is start their auctions on Game Gavel at maybe close to or at the normal going price to make sure they are making their money back. Usually 99 cent start bids incite others to bid and start bid wars,but in this case there isn't enough bidders around to do so,so its going to have a backwards effect. People are just going to nab stuff way too cheap and the seller is going to be at a big loss. I can assure you completely Guyjin that most games worth buying don't sell for just 2-3 bucks.
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I think instead of being in a rush to beat Rover to the punch DW Jacen should have spent 2 months building up advertising and getting the word out there. I also dont like the interface.
I'm not sure DWJ knew of what my company was doing, he had his own plans. But the site really should have been tested more beforehand, that's hard to dispute and I did tell him this as well. Since our site is still a few months from realization, I've been promoting Game Gavel on various forums and letting a few sellers on ebay know (ones I know are legitimate, not the shysters). I'm not a fan of Game Gavel's interface either...the learning curve from ebay is a little steep. But so far the site is working at least...no one really expected it to take off like wildfire from day one, these things take a lot of time to get moving. Of course, the only way to get it moving is to have people buying and selling...sitting around waiting for these sales to take place without participating in them isn't going to help it out at all. :D
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I wish I had a bounty hunter snowman... :cry:
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I wish I had a bounty hunter snowman... :cry:
Heres what I think of those Kits:
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I got a BID on my CDi (hoorah!)
http://www.gamegavel.com/auction_details.php?name=Philips-CDi-Console-Core-system&auction_id=100317
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Heres what I think of those Kits:[funny pic]
LOLMAOROFTLWZALO!!!! BTW dude, I can't PM you. Don't pull a Kirby on me. :P
I got a BID on my CDi (hoorah!)
http://www.gamegavel.com/auction_details.php?name=Philips-CDi-Console-Core-system&auction_id=100317
Wow, somebody's getting ripped off by $2.99! Hope that f*cker enjoys Zelda and Backgammon.
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Heres what I think of those Kits:[funny pic]
LOLMAOROFTLWZALO!!!! BTW dude, I can't PM you. Don't pull a Kirby on me. :P
I got a BID on my CDi (hoorah!)
http://www.gamegavel.com/auction_details.php?name=Philips-CDi-Console-Core-system&auction_id=100317
Wow, somebody's getting ripped off by $2.99! Hope that f*cker enjoys Zelda and Backgammon.
Fixed,you can PM me now.
Josh,cant you at least place a music cd in the thing and power it up to see if it can run the cd or boot to a menu prompt?
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Fixed,you can PM me now.
Thank you! ^.^
Josh,cant you at least place a music cd in the thing and power it up to see if it can run the cd or boot to a menu prompt?
He doesn't even have the POWER CORD. ](*,) You're bidding on a fully-functional edutainment paperweight.
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I thought it used the standard power cable used on old model PS1,3DO FZ-10 and Saturn decks. Maybe Im wrong. Its been forever since Ive seen the smaller CD-I in person.
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I thought it used the standard power cable used on old model PS1,3DO FZ-10 and Saturn decks. Maybe Im wrong. Its been forever since Ive seen the smaller CD-I in person.
Is that the same one like the Dreamcast cord? I rememeber that that cord was exactly the same as my electric razor.
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Yea I think so Kits. Those were pretty standard cables. Lots of stuff used them. Even some dvd players and smaller vcr decks and a few LD players.
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I used to listen to music on it all the time. But somehow a box got lost about 5 years ago with all cords and connection to my CDi, Master System, and all sorts of NES and Master System games.
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He doesn't even have the POWER CORD. ](*,) You're bidding on a fully-functional edutainment paperweight.
Its kind of funny when f*cks like this bash shit they've never played.
Haha, but yes the CDi is pretty worthless, almost as worthless as a PCFX......
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and NO, it doesn't use the same cord as PS1/PS2/DC/Saturns use. Its a funky little circle 5v connection.
You can see it next to the AV hookups on the second pic in the auction.
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Yea I looked that up and saw that. That sucks. The Cd-I wasn't that bad,there is a few neat games for it,plus the V-CD function wasn't bad for the time. I still want to get one some day for Burn Cycle.
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Its kind of funny when f*cks like this bash shit they've never played.
I played it back in the day at Sears. They had a CD binder of games, the only ones I remember playing are BurnCycle (that was the only impressive game, should have made a PS1 port), some boardgame thing with backgammon or something, and one of those retarded Putt-Putt games (I think it was Goes to the Moon, I didn't really care to play it long enough to obtain more "memories" from it). I don't think it was the fliptop model though, it looked like my dad's old Sony CD player. Just as worthless then as it is now. Edutainment shit.
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The Cd-I wasn't that bad,there is a few neat games for it,plus the V-CD function wasn't bad for the time. I still want to get one some day for Burn Cycle.
If the CDi isn't "that bad" then that must mean that there isn't such a thing as a bad system because in my book its probably the worst system ever. I makes the PCFX look good, and the 3DO look really good.
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The Cd-I wasn't that bad,there is a few neat games for it,plus the V-CD function wasn't bad for the time. I still want to get one some day for Burn Cycle.
If the CDi isn't "that bad" then that must mean that there isn't such a thing as a bad system because in my book its probably the worst system ever. I makes the PCFX look good, and the 3DO look really good.
The problem with this view is that you are misunderstanding the whole purpose the Cd-I was released for. It was designed for and meant to run multimedia applications,music cds,photo cds, and v-cd movies. Being able to even run normal games was not considered needed until around late 94 when sales were just going too slow and Philips started to panic more. The problem was the market didn't want a multimedia machine,and the damage was done for too long a time as from 91-94 this is the image of the machine Philips tried to maintain.
I don't consider the thing to be a game system,it wasn't intended to be one. Because of this its silly to compare it to any game system. If anything you should just consider it to be a all in one 386/486 that doesn't need Dos,ect to run the media.
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If anything you should just consider it to be a all in one 386/486 that doesn't need Dos,ect to run the media.
Well the Memorex VIS spanks the shit out of it in that catergory, so CD-I = fail.
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If anything you should just consider it to be a all in one 386/486 that doesn't need Dos,ect to run the media.
Well the Memorex VIS spanks the shit out of it in that catergory, so CD-I = fail.
Yea,the CD-I did fail,horribly. But that doesn't take away the fact it does have a few neat titles released for it and its a good v-cd player.
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its a good v-cd player.
That's with the add-on though, so theoretically STOCK CD-I FAILS.
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its a good v-cd player.
That's with the add-on though, so theoretically STOCK CD-I FAILS.
That depends on which model you bought.There was tons including a portable one that did. Philips CD-i 490,Magnovox 550 , Philips 370 - Portable Player,Philips 615 Professional ect all had it...It was released with and without it,so that doesn't really apply.
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But don't VCD movies have to be spanned across like 2 discs for decent quality, making them fail as WELL as the CD-I?
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Kitsunexus = FAIL.
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Kitsunexus = FAIL.
The Old Rover = FAIL HARD.
The Old Rover's mom = Mediocre at best.
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But don't VCD movies have to be spanned across like 2 discs for decent quality, making them fail as WELL as the CD-I?
Really well mastered v-cd disc looked as good as VHS without the color bleeding and analog noise present,but with some digital artifacts. Yea,they had to span 2 disc,but LD had to span 2 sides or more too. These were your only options unless you loved VHS.
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The Old Rover's mom = Mediocre at best.
Oh, so you're the one who was with her last night! Well that explains the obscene grunting and groaning right before I heard her yell "that's the wrong hole!". Thanks for clarifying.
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These were your only options unless you loved VHS.
I don't love VHS, I just love having 1 piece of media for 1 movie. Besides, multiple-tape VHS is shit I wouldn't watch anyway, like Gone With The Wind and shit...
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Oh, so you're the one who was with her last night! Well that explains the obscene grunting and groaning right before I heard her yell "that's the wrong hole!". Thanks for clarifying.
Well hey, that hole was tighter.
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And Validus was the one that got banned.....
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But don't VCD movies have to be spanned across like 2 discs for decent quality, making them fail as WELL as the CD-I?
Really well mastered v-cd disc looked as good as VHS without the color bleeding and analog noise present,but with some digital artifacts. Yea,they had to span 2 disc,but LD had to span 2 sides or more too. These were your only options unless you loved VHS.
I've been an LD nerd since forever, but I'd take VHS over VCD any day. Both formats suck, but in such different ways they can't really be considered similar in quality, and I don't know why people make that comparison. VHS is like a vague haze over everything where as VCD is MPEG-y blocky shitiness over everything.
One thing I can say for VCD is that in some ways I prefer the consistent digital noise over every inch of the screen to DVDs with their random blocks of crap flipping out everyplace. You get used to the uniform crapiness of MPEG1 about 20 minutes into the film, but MPEG2 will just come out of nowhere and piss me off.
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It's funny this VCD conversation popped up just now. Last night I was watching a VCD of the movie "Blow" I made back in like 2001 before I had a DVD burner. I haven't watched a VCD in like five years. Surprisingly, the quality was a lot better than I remembered. It was pretty much as Michael described-- like a VHS without the inconsistent RF noise.
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VCD isn't as bad as everyone bitches about. It's not perfect, but it's definitely not ass on it's own right, especially if nothing else is available. SVCD is much better too. Both formats when done correctly stomp VHS all day long. Plus at least you don't have tapes breaking. Each has it's own different uses; great for music videos as well, though obviously this is all without saying that DVD exists. If you have access to DVD, etc. then it's a no brainer.
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Well, this is my first and most likely last impression of Game Gavel dot coms Auction site.
I sold two items- one N64 with 4 controllers, Rumble, and Memory card for $7, and a CDi system for $3.
Whatever, great deals for the winners I guess. Just curious about this Dragon Warrior Jasen Hicks guy (http://www.gamegavel.com/content_pages.php?page=about_us) Now, is he selling as well as buying up all this stuff going for well under their market values?
Seems kind of odd to me.
Maybe I'll post more items if they generate some more traffic to their site....
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:shock: you probably could have made $200 on ebay! I guess you win some and you lose some. :-k
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I won a few NES games on Game Gavel, then when I requested an invoice from the seller, he never sent one and left me positive feedback thanking me for fast payment. :-s Guess he didn't want to sell them for the starting bids or something. Oh well. Woulda been a good haul, but whatever.