Last Blade 2 is too weak for my Dreamcast!

[SignOfZeta]

Well, they royally screwed up their Neo Geo fighter ports, and I'll never forgive them for that, buster.   

They didn't make those Neo Geo ports, SNK did. Well, probably some outsourced mules like Tose did it, but either way Agetec doesn't make games. They don't port games, from Neo Geo, or anything else. They just localize. Do you actually not understand this? Do you think Working Designs "made great RPGs" too?

As for the blood being removed, made white, whatever, that's actually SNK's fault. I can't remember the exact explanation, but you'll find that the blood is white in almost any Neo Geo game if its played on a US system. This tends to carry over to ports as well. I'm pretty sure I read some sort of response from Agetec about this back in the day.

I don't see what's so bad about SNK ports on DC aside from Garou. Garou was ass with the sound thing. I remember playing a bootleg and noticing all the FX were late, and someone told me it was because it was a bootleg. Then I played a real copy and it was nearly as late. KOF 98, and 99 turned out pretty well when compared to...KOF 98 on PS1, for example. That POS is missing so much animation is screws up my combos...with Takuma...and Takuma barely even has any animation to lose.

[Michael Helgeson]

You are so hung up on the MVS, I like saying anything pro-AES since I know you hate it to death as well as the people who use it.

Anyway why would I buy a game that I've never played before?  True, I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I buy shit because people say I should for that price.  Got my ass burned with the shitty Samurai Shodown already, and that was like $5 complete/mint.  You seem to like shitty games, so I'd really like to try before I buy with your stellar recommendations.  Your opinion means nothing to me.

I didn't recommend any particular game to you yourself Joe,what the f*ck is your deal.... I would never recommend any game to you because you already proved my point in your other post how you are one of those Capcom only SF drones,with your red wine and Sf 2 romantic night alone by yourself. As far as MVS,or any "shitty" game I own, Id like to inform you that your soon to be twice dead AES with its broken ass stick and your meager ass collection of games for it do not even compare in quality or value to anything in my total collection of arcade titles buddy. The difference is between us that I take it seriously,not just the Neo-Geo,but the whole arcade thing in general. You are just a passer by with a few games on your AES who whines and bitches about anything with a challenge beyond Puzzle Fighter. For someone who's supposed to be in their early 30ies you have sounded alot like a bitchy braggy 12 year old who has dad buy him anything he wants,but he hates everything he gets. Spoiled comes to mind.
Anyway Joe,you stack your AES collection any day of the week against the titles I own on my list,and tell me who has "shitty" games. If you honestly believe you have the cream of the crop,your a f*ck wit.
Heres my list:
Art Of Fighting   
Art Of Fighting 2   
Art Of Fighting 3 - The Path Of The Warrior   
Bad Dudes Vs. Dragon Ninja   
Contra   
Double Dragon   
Fatal Fury 2   
Fatal Fury: King Of Fighters   
Fighter's History   
Final Fight   
Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors   
Ikari Warriors      
King Of Fighters '98: The Slugfest,    
King Of Fighters '99: Millennium Battle
King Of Fighters 2003   
King Of The Monsters 2      
The Last Blade   
The Main Event   
Martial Champion   
Metal Slug 2   
MX 5000            
Ninja Combat      
Ninja Master's
P.O.W. Prisoners Of War    imported
Power Instinct 2      
Primal Rage   
Puzzle Bobble   
Samurai Shodown   
Samurai Shodown II   
Samurai Shodown III: Blades Of Blood   
Street Smart   
Survival Arts   
Tekken 2   
The King Of Fighters '96   
Time Killers   
Twin Eagle   
Victory Road   imported   
Vigilante   
World Heroes 2   
World Heroes 2 Jet   
WWF WrestleFest   
Soon to be added after they arrive:
Rage of the Dragons,Ninja Gaiden,Sengoku,KOF 97, and Kizuna Encounter.

A few of the games I own together are worth more then your entire AES collection of games. To me the AES is on equal grounds with anything I own,you can judge it all the same. Its all arcade hardware,the AES is just in a plastic shell and the games built in a snap casing to lesser construction quality. Its just a simple matter of you are unhappy with whatever you do get,and what little you do is what you seem to make all your judgments by.

 Also,you brag about the AES basically being a rich mans toy,thats how it seems at least,how you can afford it,but yet you have hardly anything for it yourself,just a few of the cheap titles and a broken stick.... I fail to see how you can insinuate me or Tron or any MVS fan are poor for collecting MVS hardware instead. This bragging crap your doing is the same ego bloated non-sense that floods the Neo forums and what flooded NGF. In other words,I bet you feel your a real "Big Tymer" huh with your rich mans AES??? Since your so rich go buy some superglue and fix your AES stick you broke in obvious anger at how badly you suck like a whiny bitch at real games.

And for that matter,look at my game list,like I said,I own games worth more then your entire AES collection. The only so so worth item you have of real value is a convert cart of a f*cking Neo Turf Masters....YOU ARE NOTHING compared to me on this subject of dropping high dollar amounts on games. And I buy NOTHING anyone recommends. I think for my f*ckin self. And there are others with many more titles under their cap,MVS or jamma then I, so go to hell with your baby whine bullshit and self assumed AES rich boy nonsense. God your so f*ckin rainbow like Hammad

And for the MVS fans,heres a ugly poor quality pic of my carts.

[Michael Helgeson]

Well, they royally screwed up their Neo Geo fighter ports, and I'll never forgive them for that, buster.   

They didn't make those Neo Geo ports, SNK did. Well, probably some outsourced mules like Tose did it, but either way Agetec doesn't make games. They don't port games, from Neo Geo, or anything else. They just localize. Do you actually not understand this? Do you think Working Designs "made great RPGs" too?

As for the blood being removed, made white, whatever, that's actually SNK's fault. I can't remember the exact explanation, but you'll find that the blood is white in almost any Neo Geo game if its played on a US system. This tends to carry over to ports as well. I'm pretty sure I read some sort of response from Agetec about this back in the day.

I don't see what's so bad about SNK ports on DC aside from Garou. Garou was ass with the sound thing. I remember playing a bootleg and noticing all the FX were late, and someone told me it was because it was a bootleg. Then I played a real copy and it was nearly as late. KOF 98, and 99 turned out pretty well when compared to...KOF 98 on PS1, for example. That POS is missing so much animation is screws up my combos...with Takuma...and Takuma barely even has any animation to lose.

Samurai Showdown 3 and KOF 95 on PS1 contained blood,both released by SNK,as did Samurai Showdown on Genesis and 3DO,published/programmed by others. I actually believe this blood removal was a decision made on the part of Agetec when they released the SNK ports they did here. None of the arcade ports they released even had any marketing meret. Even Strikers 1945. Any of them. I fail to see how you can assume SNK was behind it just because they censored content on some of the early Mega- Shocks on USA region AES systems. There is a blood option on USA MVS bios on games with blood. You can turn it on or off,which is ideal for a vendor. In my home the option always stays on. people don't bleed white. The option should have been given on the ports,not removed. Capcom USA also made this error on Alpha 3 USA and Jo Jo venture home ports. Blood removed. Very gay. Very Baldwin.

[MrFulci]

Michael,

That's a nice colelciton there, however, I notice something missing!

Samurai Shodown 4. Purchase it.

The single player is pretty simple (Except for bosses), however you can always turn up the difficulty.

SS4 is one of my fav of the 5/6 SS games on the MVS.

The blood spray (Not the same as the fountain) is awesome. There have been times I've loaded the game just to try and get the blood spray happening. So far, it appears to happen randomly when you finish your opponent with a strong attack. Though, if anyone knows of an easier way to make the spray happen, let me know!

[Michael Helgeson]

Yea,I have owned it before. I own titles for MVS off and on that I keep,sell,trade,get back again. I will buy it again. I don't sell or trade them out anymore,so once again my collection is rising steady. The blood spray you talk about,it blew me away when the game came out. The one where it sprays all over your character and sticks to them. Its f*ckin awesome as hell.

[TR0N]

You are so hung up on the MVS, I like saying anything pro-AES since I know you hate it to death as well as the people who use it.

Anyway why would I buy a game that I've never played before?  True, I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I buy shit because people say I should for that price.  Got my ass burned with the shitty Samurai Shodown already, and that was like $5 complete/mint.  You seem to like shitty games, so I'd really like to try before I buy with your stellar recommendations.  Your opinion means nothing to me.

I didn't recommend any reticular game to you yourself Joe,what the f*ck is your deal.... I would never recommend any game to you because you already proved my point in your other post how you are one of those Capcom only SF drones,with your red wine and Sf 2 romantic night alone by yourself. As far as MVS,or any "shitty" game I own, Id like to inform you that your soon to be twice dead AES with its broken ass stick and your meager ass collection of games for it do not even compare in quality or value to anything in my total collection of arcade titles buddy. the difference is is that I take it seriously,not just the Neo-Geo,but the whole arcade thing in general. You are just a passer by with a few games on your AES who whines and bitches about anything with a challenge beyond Puzzle Fighter. For someone who's supposed to be in their early 30ies you have sounded alot like a bitchy braggy 12 year old who has dad buy him anything he wants,but he hates everything he gets. Spoiled comes to mind.
Anyway Joe,you stack your AES collection any day of the week and tell me who has "shitty" games. If you honestly believe you have the cream of the crop,your a f*ck wit.
Heres my list:
Art Of Fighting   
Art Of Fighting 2   
Art Of Fighting 3 - The Path Of The Warrior   
Bad Dudes Vs. Dragon Ninja   
Contra   
Double Dragon   
Fatal Fury 2   
Fatal Fury: King Of Fighters   
Fighter's History   
Final Fight   
Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors   
Ikari Warriors      
King Of Fighters '98: The Slugfest,    
King Of Fighters '99: Millennium Battle
King Of Fighters 2003   
King Of The Monsters 2      
The Last Blade   
The Main Event   
Martial Champion   
Metal Slug 2   
MX 5000            
Ninja Combat      
Ninja Master's
P.O.W. Prisoners Of War    imported
Power Instinct 2      
Primal Rage   
Puzzle Bobble   
Samurai Shodown   
Samurai Shodown II   
Samurai Shodown III: Blades Of Blood   
Street Smart   
Survival Arts   
Tekken 2   
The King Of Fighters '96   
Time Killers   
Twin Eagle   
Victory Road   imported   
Vigilante   
World Heroes 2   
World Heroes 2 Jet   
WWF WrestleFest   
Soon to be added after they arrive:
Rage of the Dragons,Ninja Gaiden,Sengoku,and Kizuna Encounter.

A few of the games I own are worth more then your entire AES collection. To me the AES is on equal grounds with anything I own,you can judge it all the same. Its all arcade hardware,the AES is just in a plastic shell and the games built in a snap casing to lesser construction quality. Its just a simple matter of you are unhappy with whatever you do get,and what little you do is what you seem to make all your judgements by.

 Also,you brag about the AES basically being a rich mans toy,thats how it seems at least,how you can afford it,but yet you have hardly anything for it yourself,just a few of the cheap titles and a broken stick.... I fail to see how you can insinuate me or Tron or any MVS fan are poor for collecting MVS hardware instead.

And for that matter,look at my game list,like I said,I own games worth more then your entire AES collection. The only so so worth item you have of real value is a convert cart of a f*cking Neo Turf Masters....YOU ARE NOTHING compared to me on this subject of dropping high dollar amounts on games. And I buy NOTHING anyone recommends. I think for my f*ckin self. And there are others with many more titles under their cap,MVS or jamma then I, so go to hell with you baby whine bullshit and self assumed rich boy nonsense. God your so f*ckin rainbow like Hammad

And for the MVS fans,heres a ugly poor quality pic of my carts.

Nuff said i'm not gonna get in the middle of this. If Joe wants to stay with AES that's his thing.

Still far as MVS being a poor mans neo for wich Joe stated i call it bs. There are some games that are worth 100+ i should know i've bought a few for that price. Such as View Point and Twinklestar Sprites not to mention a few kits that i have bought over time.

Also setup on mvs can add up if the board is consolized or your if you get a cab instead.

Still when it comes down to the hardware it's the same thing it's just a price difference.

Some perfer mvs becuse the games are cheaper and are not worry about it's looks. Beside wanting, to play the game and are not worry if it holds a value.

While, AES owners want some thing that looks nice and that's convenient to play.... and beside wanting.. a return investment if 'they don't like the game.

Plus when they have the money to burn on it why should the, AES owner care  

Ok that's my thought on the whole thing.

Still i can't blame ya for getting upset Micheal i see "that attitude from any one that owns a, AES all the time.

[SignOfZeta]

Samurai Showdown 3 and KOF 95 on PS1 contained blood,both released by SNK,as did Samurai Showdown on Genesis and 3DO,published/programmed by others. I actually believe this blood removal was a decision made on the part of Agetec when they released the SNK ports they did here. None of the arcade ports they released even had any marketing meret. Even Strikers 1945. Any of them. I fail to see how you can assume SNK was behind it just because they censored content on some of the early Mega- Shocks on USA region AES systems. There is a blood option on USA MVS bios on games with blood. You can turn it on or off,which is ideal for a vendor. In my home the option always stays on. people don't bleed white. The option should have been given on the ports,not removed. Capcom USA also made this error on Alpha 3 USA and Jo Jo venture home ports. Blood removed. Very gay. Very Baldwin.

I'm not "assuming" Agetec removed the blood at SNK's request, I have a specific reason for saying this I just...forgot what it was. Maybe I'll get back to you on this one. I know all about MVS BIOS options and shit. I've spent a lot of time on MVS in arcades, and in homes. I also know that there are loads of censored Geo games, censored by SNK themselves for their own stupid reasons. It wasn't just "early" stuff either, it was the majority of the systems life, if I'm not mistaken.

KOF95, and SS3 did have blood, but if I recall correctly they were published in the US by Sony.

[Joe Redifer]

OK Michael, you win.  You're better than me.  That's quite obviously what you're trying to prove with your post/game list (I didn't even read the list... I don't read anybody's list unless I am looking to buy something).  To be honest I don't give two shits about your collection and the only time I ever really mention mine is in those "picture of your game room" or "what is your latest acquisition" type of threads.  The only reason I give you shit about the MVS is because you just won't let me be with my AES.  As evidenced by even TRON's post, there seems to be an MVS vs AES mentality out there.  Neo Geo owners cannot get along with other Neo Geo owners.  You went out of your way to mention that I had red wine the other night.  You are obviously trying to insult me.  You are trying really hard, and it shows.  You see, it is easy to make you angry.  You may think you are so great for having arcades and whatnot, but again, I really don't care.  You are obviously trying to validate your collection to me as well as your decision to go the route you did.  I have no problem with you liking arcade games.  They kick ass.  I feel Capcom fighting games are better... and YES there definitely are exceptions to that rule.  And I wasn't alone when I had wine.  I was playing the game with friends.

Just let me be with my AES.  You may hate the whole fact that I prefer it and you probably cannot fathom why, but just let me be.  You and Keranu have been on my ass for having an AES for a long time now, as well as trying to belittle me for allegedly looking like a Baldwin.  Both of you please shut the hell up.  That goes for your shiny-happy pie-hole as well, Keranu.  In return I'll shut the hell up about the MVS.

This thread was about trying to get a game my friend loaned me to run on my Dreamcast.  That's it!  I didn't even ask to borrow the game.  My friend just said he was never able to get into the game and I told him I never played it.  He gave me the game along with Chrono Trigger and Double Dragon 2.  I certainly wasn't the one who brought up anything Neo Geo related.  You guys just wanted another opportunity to shove the MVS in my face.  I'm sorry if I don't squirt all over my keyboard whenever Neo Geo is mentioned, guys.  Really, I am.  I'm not into the Neo Geo to collect shitloads of games.  Now maybe you guys should go clean your keyboards.

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Now then, it doesn't look like I'll find a way to get this to run.  The game is too weak for my Dreamcast.  If the Dreamcast were too weak like Keranu said, it wouldn't be able to power it up with any video cable.

As for blood in Neo Geo fighters, I always wondered why the US versions were censored.  I'm not trying to bash SNK for the sake of bashing them here, but it is odd that they had this image of "BIGGER BADDER BETTER" and "Exactly like the arcade" and "You're just a weeny if you play with those other loser consoles" etc etc etc and then turn around and take all of the red blood out of their games as if they were pandering to the moms of 8 year-olds.  Not a brilliant move when you're trying to be more "hardcore", SNK.  And they never went back on that move.  Even the latest games were missing blood from the US versions.

[nodtveidt]

The Last Blade 2 is a shitty game anyways, its only redeeming feature is being able to pay as Kagami.

[Joe Redifer]

Is that the chick with the tits?  I thumbed through the manual and saw a busty chick but I don't recall the names.

[Michael Helgeson]

Joe,you are the only one going around bragging how your so AES special,that anyone who collects MVS is poor,which is utter nonsense. And what I said about you being a whiny baby bitch applies both to Neo and non Neo games alike. You whine and bitch too often these days. I don't know what happened to you but you used to not do so so often,now its a regular habit. Did someone steal your bicycle or something,and your taking it out on people on here? I didn't post my list to say I'm better then you,I did it to show you that just because someone collects MVS does not mean they are just poor,or cheap skates,sometimes its simply what they want or prefer to collect,so I simply mean that you can drop the rich boy AES mentality. People like us still drop tons of cash into the games we own,we just choose different formats.How your accusing MVS owners of being poor,Its f*cking weak. No one buys into it.


Besides,you brag about owning a system you hate. Its a oxymoron pretty much.

 I don't hate the AES,the hardware is the same in the end, I hate people who act like you about it,esp when they own it just to say they do,they feel it boost their social status somehow,which is typically the case when it comes to people who only have 8-10 games,and bitch in epic long rants about Samurai Showdown 2. The only aspects you have ever heard me say anything about the AES in a negative manner are the prices of the latter carts released,and the construction quality and video out being poor on alot of the decks. These are actually all legit complaints. I and Tron both said if you want more games at better prices and better constructed carts,go with a MVS. That was pretty much it. I have owned a AES deck quite a few times from 98-2004 and inbetween that time lots of AES carts. In the end I just found I liked the MVS format more.

[Michael Helgeson]

Oh yea Joe,I'm sorry you look like a Baldwin. Do you want a apology note and a bouquet of flowers too?
Its your fault,not ours.

[Necromancer]

No one buys into it.

I bought it, but I don't have to take everything as 100% literal.  MVS is cheaper than AES, so it's obvious to me which one would a poor person would buy.  Kias, Hondas, and Fords are for poor people too.  If it ain't a Veyron, it sucks. 

*back on topic*

How common is it for DC games to refuse 480p?  I've never run into it myself, but my DC experience is rather limited.

[MrFulci]

A lot of antagonizing going on here.

I work with the MVS when playing Neo Geo. It's cheaper. With MVS, the prices generally are not insanely high for some games.

For example. I recently purchased Magical Drop 3 MVS. That was about $50 or something. Now, that same game sells for about 10X that price on AES.

KoF 2003 I purchased an entire kit for about $50. Whereas the AES cart is going to sell for at least $100.

Metal Slug for MVS... about $30. AES, wow, close to $2,000

Shock Troopers and Shock Troopers 2nd Squad. ST1 is not on AES. ST2, it's available, but priced a few hundred higher than I paid for both my MVS carts (About $75 for ST1 and ST2 MVS carts, together.)


Those are my thoughts on the AES, MVS thing. Some games are priced very similar, others....

[Joe Redifer]

I'll say it for you again Michael:  The only reason I give you shit about the MVS is because you give me shit about my AES (which I don't hate, I just think it is overrated).  I say the stuff I do SPECIFICALLY to piss you off.  And oh boy does it work.  It's almost too easy!  You are very predictable.

As for the Dreamcast 480p, it only refuses to boot into that mode when a game only supports 240p like most of the SNK fighters.  The Capcom fighters like Street Fighter 3 and Jojo have a 240p mode, but the thoughtful programmers put that in as an option.  You can run the Capcom games in 240p or 480i/p.  I don't think SNK has ever made a game above 240p resolution for any system.  Well maybe the NG64, but I don't recall what the resolution of the games used on that thing were.