Is the PC engine/turbografx consoles the defenitive platform for shmups??

[Tatsujin]

after reading all those pre-reviews, once again i'm glad to be a pce shmuper. will not mean i didn't know a lot of those shmups. almost played or owned most of them in the past. but the poor quality/quantity ration compared to the PCE library is proven once again.

[Black Tiger]

So you're saying that fans of the TG-16 and PCE are just lazy?

No, we're saying that Mr. Horowitz is one of the most productive, tireless workhorses in the goddam world!

Unforunately, he also can't put his fanboyism behind him enough to give reasonably fair opinions on inter-console issues. His articles are like the Sega Genesis version of what I've been led to believe that Fox News(or CNN?) is.

I think that I counted 77 totles in that list. Although I don't personally count Afterburner/Galaxy Force-type games as shmups and wouldn't count 32X games, I would've included Monster Lair.

[nat]

I think that I counted 77 totles in that list. Although I don't personally count Afterburner/Galaxy Force-type games as shmups and wouldn't count 32X games, I would've included Monster Lair.

I glanced at PCECP.COM and counted 140 PCE shooters. Some of those are probably US/Japan duplicates, so maybe 110-120 total?

[RCduck7]

Thunder Force 3 is probably my favorite to play, even though it is extremely easy for me.  I like Thunder Force 4 a lot, but it does get a bit fatiguing.  So does Thunder Force 5, which was less fun than part 4.  It just tried to be too "hardcore".  I really, really enjoy Thunder Force 2.  It had the perfect difficulty level.  And yes, I enjoy the overhead stages.

For a list (and descriptions) of all the shooters for the Genesis/Mega Drive (no run and guns), CLICK HERE.

I don't know of any similar lists for the PCE or SNES.

Thunder Force 3 happens to be one of my favorites to... and thruxton...
Propably also a lot to do with the fond memories i had on them.
I'm glad i made lots of good choices when i bought games as a kid as otherwise i might say different.

Anyways, i only just discovered (a week ago) thunder force 3 was released on the snes named "thunder spirits".
Not sure it was called that way in all regions though.
Played it on my snes emulator.
It's not exactly a straight port from the genesis version, it is more difficult from my experience.
Backgrounds are a bit different and maybe more detailed but it seems as a result end bosses seem to stand out a bit less, but that's maybe something to do with the fact that the first boss is yellow instead of red.
The music is a bit smoother but doesn't come true to be as emotional as the genesis version to.
Haven't put that much playtime in the snes version but it seems i still prefer the genesis version.

[Black Tiger]

Thunder Force 3 is probably my favorite to play, even though it is extremely easy for me.  I like Thunder Force 4 a lot, but it does get a bit fatiguing.  So does Thunder Force 5, which was less fun than part 4.  It just tried to be too "hardcore".  I really, really enjoy Thunder Force 2.  It had the perfect difficulty level.  And yes, I enjoy the overhead stages.

For a list (and descriptions) of all the shooters for the Genesis/Mega Drive (no run and guns), CLICK HERE.

I don't know of any similar lists for the PCE or SNES.

Thunder Force 3 happens to be one of my favorites to... and thruxton...
Propably also a lot to do with the fond memories i had on them.
I'm glad i made lots of good choices when i bought games as a kid as otherwise i might say different.

Anyways, i only just discovered (a week ago) thunder force 3 was released on the snes named "thunder spirits".
Not sure it was called that way in all regions though.
Played it on my snes emulator.
It's not exactly a straight port from the genesis version, it is more difficult from my experience.
Backgrounds are a bit different and maybe more detailed but it seems as a result end bosses seem to stand out a bit less, but that's maybe something to do with the fact that the first boss is yellow instead of red.
The music is a bit smoother but doesn't come true to be as emotional as the genesis version to.
Haven't put that much playtime in the snes version but it seems i still prefer the genesis version.

Its a port of the arcade version of TFIII, which was made after the Genesis game.

[GUTS]

Thunder Spirits is an awful port.

[Tatsujin]

I think that I counted 77 totles in that list. Although I don't personally count Afterburner/Galaxy Force-type games as shmups and wouldn't count 32X games, I would've included Monster Lair.

I glanced at PCECP.COM and counted 140 PCE shooters. Some of those are probably US/Japan duplicates, so maybe 110-120 total?

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[nat]

I think that I counted 77 totles in that list. Although I don't personally count Afterburner/Galaxy Force-type games as shmups and wouldn't count 32X games, I would've included Monster Lair.

I glanced at PCECP.COM and counted 140 PCE shooters. Some of those are probably US/Japan duplicates, so maybe 110-120 total?

109

  Of course, should have just looked at your signature.

[Joe Redifer]

after reading all those pre-reviews, once again i'm glad to be a pce shmuper. will not mean i didn't know a lot of those shmups. almost played or owned most of them in the past. but the poor quality/quantity ration compared to the PCE library is proven once again.

You are obviously a fanboy.  Why do you care if the PCE library of shooters is superior?  Why not just enjoy all of the good shooters on both systems?  But you limit yourself to only the PCE?  If you have indeed played most of the Genesis/Mega Drive shooters, you'd know that the quality of quite a few of them are sky high.  Every game can't be a winner no matter the console, but I have a feeling that if the same games were on the PCE in the same exact form (and were never on the Mega Drive), you'd like them more than you do since they are on the Mega Drive. 

I never even gave this issue a thought until this thread popped up.

Games like Zaxxon absolutely deserve to be on Sega-16's list.  And the games like After Burner and whatnot were on a page called "Best of the rest" or similar.  He wasn't trying to pile them with the other shooters.  And as far as the CNN/FOX comment goes, it's usually people who are biased to one side who find bias faults in other places since they feel their views are being under-represented.

[Tatsujin]

If you have indeed played most of the Genesis/Mega Drive shooters, you'd know that the quality of quite a few of them are sky high.

yeah, exactly. and exactly those "quite a few" ones i kept to play or looking for to buy. my space is limited. i focused to collect any pc engine related things, software in the first place. and yes, even the MD/genny has some really nice shooter (eliminate down, gley lancer, TFIII, Musha aleste, gynoug..) the PCEs library is still superior!
may be i can call my self a PCE fanboy, yes. but there're quite a lot good reason for.

i love the SFC as well the MD in 2nd and 3rd place. but the winner overall is decided a long long time ago.

[Keranu]

You can list all the Thunder Forces and Mushas you want, but all the Genesis needs is Insector X to be the best shooter console of all time .

[Bonknuts]

Thunder Force 3 is probably my favorite to play, even though it is extremely easy for me.  I like Thunder Force 4 a lot, but it does get a bit fatiguing.  So does Thunder Force 5, which was less fun than part 4.  It just tried to be too "hardcore".  I really, really enjoy Thunder Force 2.  It had the perfect difficulty level.  And yes, I enjoy the overhead stages.

For a list (and descriptions) of all the shooters for the Genesis/Mega Drive (no run and guns), CLICK HERE.

I don't know of any similar lists for the PCE or SNES.

Thunder Force 3 happens to be one of my favorites to... and thruxton...
Propably also a lot to do with the fond memories i had on them.
I'm glad i made lots of good choices when i bought games as a kid as otherwise i might say different.

Anyways, i only just discovered (a week ago) thunder force 3 was released on the snes named "thunder spirits".
Not sure it was called that way in all regions though.
Played it on my snes emulator.
It's not exactly a straight port from the genesis version, it is more difficult from my experience.
Backgrounds are a bit different and maybe more detailed but it seems as a result end bosses seem to stand out a bit less, but that's maybe something to do with the fact that the first boss is yellow instead of red.
The music is a bit smoother but doesn't come true to be as emotional as the genesis version to.
Haven't put that much playtime in the snes version but it seems i still prefer the genesis version.

 Yeah, that was a port of the Arcade version of TF3 - though they added or replaced some additional stuff. Either way, whatever team did the port, did a really shoddy job. The music is lacking, but the worst part is the game shutters every time you shoot. At first I thought this was an emulation issue, but after buying the cart for $2 and playing it on the snes - I found out it was for real!

[Tatsujin]

You can list all the Thunder Forces and Mushas you want, but all the Genesis needs is Insector X to be the best shooter console of all time .

now that's one of those typical keranu sentences. the cheesier the game the better it is!!

[Keranu]

[Joe Redifer]

Keranu, I rented and beat Genesis Insector X the first time I played it.  I'm not even sure if I used a continue or not.  What does this game have that fascinates you so?  I'll agree that it is better than the arcade, though.  The arcade seemed almost unplayable to me.