PCE vs. MD

[Black Tiger]

A video showing the same clip at 60 fps and then at 30 fps would drive home the difference to those who don't already know.

[Joe Redifer]

Done.

Same clip twice.  Can you tell which is 60fps and which is 30fps?

Quicktime format - 1.86 MB

WMV format - 2.16 MB (I am not happy with WMV).

[SNKNostalgia]

Keranu No seriously, playing Snatcher with the light gun is absolutely useless! There is just no accuracy of shooting what so ever! I think I even tried putting the Justifier directly on the screen and it didn't even work.

I never really had bad problems with the Justifier for this game or Lethal Enforcers. The type and size of the TV you are using does make a difference for this though. My old RCA 20" from 1993 worked really well with the Justifier. As for my flat 27" Sony WEGA, I had turn up the contrast a little, sit a foot or two further away and also had to aim 1" under the bullseye for the calibration. Also, I personally like how there are more scenes and stuff in the Sega CD version. I especially like it when you type in KONAMI on the Jordan computer for the unedited mode.

As for SF2 CE' for the PCE. I find this version to have the best control ever. The 6 button Avenue pad gives me no problems with control at all. One of my favorite controllers to be honest. I got my controller used and it is broken in just right.

With LOT, I played the Sega CD version 4 years before I even touched the Super CD version. So I was adjusted to the music of the Sega CD version even though the Super CD version sounded cleaner. Of course after owning the Super CD version for a while and playing it more I now look both remixes a lot. I still like the rougher Sega CD music a slight bit more since it sounds like a band just jamming to a live recording. As for the graphics, I have to admit the Genesis version can make you go "yuck!!" here and there.

[Tatsujin]

Same clip twice.  Can you tell which is 60fps and which is 30fps?

i would say it's nearly the same. but i only watched the wmv-file, which i think is the reason why there isn't a big difference between.

but in realtime, it isn't that hard to judge! i'm sure!

[Black Tiger]

Done.

Same clip twice.  Can you tell which is 60fps and which is 30fps?

Quicktime format - 1.86 MB

WMV format - 2.16 MB (I am not happy with WMV).

What difference?

I never really had bad problems with the Justifier for this game or Lethal Enforcers. The type and size of the TV you are using does make a difference for this though. My old RCA 20" from 1993 worked really well with the Justifier. As for my flat 27" Sony WEGA, I had turn up the contrast a little, sit a foot or two further away and also had to aim 1" under the bullseye for the calibration. Also, I personally like how there are more scenes and stuff in the Sega CD version. I especially like it when you type in KONAMI on the Jordan computer for the unedited mode.

As for SF2 CE' for the PCE. I find this version to have the best control ever. The 6 button Avenue pad gives me no problems with control at all. One of my favorite controllers to be honest. I got my controller used and it is broken in just right.

Even after calibration, I had to sit in front of my 27" Sony and hold the Justifier about an inch from the screen to beat the shooting scenes in Snatcher. But Leathal Enforcers played fine.

SFII is still easiest for my to control using a 2 button Turbo/Duo/PCE pad.

[Tatsujin]

in red

Here are games that I either disagree with Tatsukin or just have something to say about them-


Shooter/3D Shooter:


Darius II - MD<PCE -the only difference I was able to percieve is that the MD version isn't the best port while the PCE version is as close to perfect as possible.
the pce version shows some great grafx as well as redbook audio, but lacks a lot in technical issues (terrible flickering, sloppy gameplay, peppless...the MD pendant is simpler, but perfectly playable with a good portion of action, as well as some very nice background-fx and chip-BGMs

Hellfire - MD/PCE -I haven't directly compared the two, but have always heard that the only advantage the MD version had was layered bgs.
the MD version is technically better, owns parallax, and is much closer to the arcade version. the chip-BGM in that game is amazing and powerful

Kyuukyoku Tiger - PCE/MD -I didn't realize there was a MD port.
there is, and it is markable inferior


Adventure:


Snatcher CDROMantic - PCE/MCD -although I really prefer the PCE version, most non-PCE fans love the terrible acting and extra content.
i prefere the PCE version as well, when it comes to originality, better palette, more goreness and nudity


Action/Jump ‘N Run:


Juuohki (Altered Beast) - MD/PCE -this is another one thats not so cut and dry. From what I've seen so far, the cart & card versions are more or less even.
there is almost nothing equal. the PCE version sucks almost everywhere, where the MD version shines. indeed, it isn't a that great game though, except for the nsotalgia


Wonder Boy in Monster World/Dynastic Hero - PCE~MD -again, the give and take between each version is more of a draw.
it can't be a draw, since the BGM in the PCE version is something of the best ever composed. but the strength of the MD version is the originality and parallax



RPG/Action-Adventure/Strategie:


Popful Mail – MCD/PCE -I'd have to play through both japanese versions again. I'd definitely rate the PCE version over the ruined Sega-CD version, but the original Mega-CD may be better overall as a game. After recently trying both, I found the Sega-CD visuals much more impressive than I had remembered.
the PCE version looks mingy against the MD version

[Black Tiger]

Joe, some other 60 fps videos that would be cool if you're ever bored and have nothing to do would be Strider MD/ACD, Golden Axe CD2/Sega CD, WBIII SMS/TG-16.

[nat]

OK here's the video comparing Ys 3 framerates.  It's short, only 10 seconds and it has no audio.

Quicktime format - 1.33 MB

WMV format - 1.53 MB

The TurboGrafx-CD version doesn't have a steady framerate.  It can be anywhere between 15 and 25 in most of the game.  A few screens scroll at 60fps.

The Genesis version moves at 60fps all the time.

Hey, great comparison.

The Genesis vesion definitely has an edge in smoothness.

I still love the Turbo version for the music though. Damn I love that game.

[Tatsujin]

yeah..why the heck the PCE only runs @30fps? but the clouds are superior

[Sinistron]

I played the Genesis Strider and the ACD Strider on the same day-
heard all of this gunk about how Genny's strider has more animation frames and it isn't true.  The blade swing is one frame- it's not there and then it's there- while in the ACD it's two frames.  Yeah- Genny has the parallex- but the lack of it in the PCE doesn't hurt the gameplay.  To me it comes down to flicker (pce) vs. slowdown (genny)- I'll take the flicker.  Then the PCE has the extra board, the cutscenes, and the CD music (which I'm a fan of).  Genny's Strider is overhyped all because of some shitty parallex.

[nat]

I'm currently digging the Playstation port, which as far as I can tell, is basically identical to the arcade.

[Sinistron]

Yeah being that I do own a PS1 and it's been collecting crazy dust- I should clean it up and bust out some nice classics like Strider.

[nat]

I still have never played the PCE version. Maybe if Dean's got it available on that next sale...

[Kitsunexus]

With LOT, I played the Sega CD version 4 years before I even touched the Super CD version. So I was adjusted to the music of the Sega CD version even though the Super CD version sounded cleaner. Of course after owning the Super CD version for a while and playing it more I now look both remixes a lot. I still like the rougher Sega CD music a slight bit more since it sounds like a band just jamming to a live recording. As for the graphics, I have to admit the Genesis version can make you go "yuck!!" here and there.

Why not just burn an ISO of the PCE game with the SEGA CD music?

[Michael Helgeson]

I played the Genesis Strider and the ACD Strider on the same day-
heard all of this gunk about how Genny's strider has more animation frames and it isn't true.  The blade swing is one frame- it's not there and then it's there- while in the ACD it's two frames.  Yeah- Genny has the parallex- but the lack of it in the PCE doesn't hurt the gameplay.  To me it comes down to flicker (pce) vs. slowdown (genny)- I'll take the flicker.  Then the PCE has the extra board, the cutscenes, and the CD music (which I'm a fan of).  Genny's Strider is overhyped all because of some shitty parallex.

Oh it isn't just all that either. In some areas the details are a tad better on PCE,as is the color. The flicker was over exaggerated too at any case. It was not nearly as bad,and def doesn't affect gameplay. I have played through the PCE version about 6-7 times. Def my preferred version other then the PS1 port.