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Title: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 06, 2008, 04:10:32 PM
I've never really been terribly interested in any of Sony's consoles and certainly have never owned one before. Now however I find myself in possession of a virtually brand-new final run (PSone) deck. How did this come to be, you ask? Well, yesterday was my birthday and one of my buddies, knowing me as the video gaming fanatic that I am, thought it would be good for me to add a Playstation to my collection. He apparently bought it a few years ago brand new, then bought a PS2 almost immediately after so he only used the PSone a couple of times. It's been in his closet ever since.
So anyway, now that I've got it, I might as well get some games for it.
I'm not interested in any of the 3D titles, as those early first-gen polygon graphics make me nauseous. So let's keep recommendations limited to 2D games.
So far my list consists of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. That's it. That's all I know I must have at this point. So let's help me flesh out this list a little bit with some must-own 2D Playstations titles, OK?
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 06, 2008, 04:14:06 PM
Raiden Project,Viewpoint,Strikers 1945,KOF 95,Darkstalkers,Guilty Gear, Sf Collection,R-Types,ect.. Get a swap disc and some imports too. Plenty of import shooters available.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 06, 2008, 04:16:13 PM
Hell yeah, Strikers 1945 is awesome, I've played that one in the arcade before.
And I plan on getting a swap disc, so imports are fair game too.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: GUTS on January 06, 2008, 04:24:59 PM
Tomba 1 and 2, and Klonoa. Tomba 2 and Klonoa do have polygons, but they're 2.5D games and they look really nice. Incredible games, equal to or better than the best 16bit platformers.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 06, 2008, 04:36:57 PM
Damn, yeah, Tomba 1 especially looks awesome. 2 doesn't look too bad either, I might be able to stomach the limited polygon usage.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 06, 2008, 04:39:18 PM
You'll be doing yourself a SERIOUS misfavor by skipping over the original Metal Gear Solid. [-(
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 06, 2008, 04:42:24 PM
You'll be doing yourself a SERIOUS misfavor by skipping over the original Metal Gear Solid. [-(
Naw, I'll survive, that genre doesn't do anything for me. Not interested.
I reccomend Final Fantasy 9 then. It's as awesome as a SNES RPG, and the only 3D is the overworld and the characters, everything else is pre-rendered.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: bust3dstr8 on January 06, 2008, 04:58:42 PM
You probally got a handle on the shmups stuff. :dance: Hmm.....what else.
Buster Bros. Collection Puzzle Fighter One of the Puzzle Bobbles Sillouette Mirage MK II Oddworld Rayman
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 06, 2008, 05:08:46 PM
Most of the time if a 2D game was also on Saturn, then the PS version sucks. The only exceptions to this I know of are In the Hunt and certain versions of Street Fighter II (Super and Super Turbo that are the second CD of the "SF Collection"). KOF 95 is, I'd say, "acceptable" on PS. But by the time KOF98 came out the PS ports were basically unplayable defective software. Pretty much the same for Capcom stuff, although one could make the case for either the PS or SS versions of SFZ3 since they are quite a bit different.
So I guess since you won't do anything 3D, you are looking for 2D games that are exclusive to PS, and actually good.
Hmm...
Rakugaki Showtime, Super Robot Wars Alpha (and Alpha Gaiden), the Gundam The Battle Master series (the best one is the US only release, "Gundam Battle Assault 2"), Gunners Heaven, Bomberman Land...um...DDR?
Hard to do, this. Most of my PS games are 3D. I quite like Love and Destroy, the Choro Q games, Kamen Rider (no, really), Slap Happy Rhythm Busters, Tobal 2, The Italian Job.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 06, 2008, 05:09:57 PM
Einhander! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einhänder) Get Einhander, you cannot go wrong with it.
Hmmm, then get maybe Parappa the Rapper, Star Ocean: The Second Story or Tempest X3! Why not all 3 :dance:
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 06, 2008, 05:15:38 PM
I reccomend Final Fantasy 9 then. It's as awesome as a SNES RPG, and the only 3D is the overworld and the characters, everything else is pre-rendered.
Yes, I recommend this game if you like retarded skill systems, boring characters, river dance, androgynous villains in thongs, obscure references to other games in the series, bland locations, and furries.
This game was Square's reactionary attempt to win back the squeers after its courageous but flawed attempt to shake up the Final Fantasy series in the eighth installment. Because of this it is a boring, conservative, and uninspiring game. Do not play it unless you really like the series.
If you want to play a good RPG with an innovative battle system, play Grandia.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 06, 2008, 05:22:10 PM
Most of the time if a 2D game was also on Saturn, then the PS version sucks. The only exceptions to this I know of are In the Hunt and certain versions of Street Fighter II (Super and Super Turbo that are the second CD of the "SF Collection"). KOF 95 is, I'd say, "acceptable" on PS. But by the time KOF98 came out the PS ports were basically unplayable defective software. Pretty much the same for Capcom stuff, although one could make the case for either the PS or SS versions of SFZ3 since they are quite a bit different.
So I guess since you won't do anything 3D, you are looking for 2D games that are exclusive to PS, and actually good.
Hmm...
Rakugaki Showtime, Super Robot Wars Alpha (and Alpha Gaiden), the Gundam The Battle Master series (the best one is the US only release, "Gundam Battle Assault 2"), Gunners Heaven, Bomberman Land...um...DDR?
Hard to do, this. Most of my PS games are 3D. I quite like Love and Destroy, the Choro Q games, Kamen Rider (no, really), Slap Happy Rhythm Busters, Tobal 2, The Italian Job.
Yea I meant the SF collection that has SF 2 World Warrior to Hyper fighting. I have the import Capcom Generation version,its solid. I don't care for the Alpha ports on PS1. KOF 95 was perfectly fine on PS1,its one of the few 2D fighters you can say that about as it is missing hardly a thing. Only the remixed music and load times tend to annoy. Power Instinct 2 import is supposed to be good,as is the import copy of Last Blade,but I have not played either of those 2,so thats really up in the air with me.
The 2D shooters on both tend to be the same quality or very close,except the US Gunbird port on PS1 under the Mobile Light Force name. That port had way too many problems to be treated as a serious port. They edited stuff out,so it was kinda annoying.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 06, 2008, 05:23:57 PM
Einhander! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einhänder) Get Einhander, you cannot go wrong with it.
That game just shot up near the top of my to-buy list. :D
Yea,that one is easily my current fav PS1 title I own.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: guyjin on January 06, 2008, 05:45:33 PM
Any of the Bust a move games.
Also the monster rancher games. They look 3D, but play strictly 2D.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Necromancer on January 06, 2008, 06:11:17 PM
I can't make any recommendations that others haven't already made, so I'll just wish you a belated happy birthday instead. I would recommend Tomb Raider, but it hasn't aged that well and you're not interested in 3d anyway.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Turbo D on January 06, 2008, 06:11:37 PM
Strider 2 is pretty cool. There is a good remake of Lunar from the segacd.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 06, 2008, 06:16:28 PM
Good, cuz I just bought it. Someone on eBay had a Strider 2/Strider PS1 bundle for a couple bucks. How does the port of Strider 1 hold up?
You need to know that due to a printing error the discs are mislabeled - the Strider 2 disc contains Strider 1 and vice versa.
Oh and I can't believe I forgot OMEGA BOOST. It's a mech SHMUP with a Panzer-Dragoon esque targeting system, and AWESOME graphics (wait til you see the psuedo-vector briefing screens!) and a kickass soundtrack including STATIC-X!!! It's made by Polyphony Digital, the makers of the Gran Tursimo series, and it OOZES quality. Trust me, the game KICKS ASS.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 06, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
Oh yeah, Rib Ribbon also. But only get it if you play using some kind of mod. If you swap discs to load it, you will only be able to play the tutorial levels. This is because to play the real game, you play it using your own music CDs and it generates the levels based on the music. Because of this, the PSX needs to be able to load the TOC of the audio disc to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 06, 2008, 07:02:58 PM
Oh yeah, Rib Ribbon also. But only get it if you play using some kind of mod. If you swap discs to load it, you will only be able to play the tutorial levels. This is because to play the real game, you play it using your own music CDs and it generates the levels based on the music. Because of this, the PSX needs to be able to load the TOC of the audio disc to enjoy it.
What was the clone of that game Square released only in Japan? That game was Rez before Rez was Rez.
The table of contents thing reminds me of this crazy article I read back when I first got the Internet, and looking back on it it HAD to be a joke. The premise was simple, you could run Japanese games on your American system (I THINK it was PS1, not entirely sure), but the TOC had to be around 90% similar otherwise it wouldn't work, and even if it worked streaming music and cutscenes wouldn't play correctly because of the inconsistencies, and sometimes there would be freezes/lockups/crashes.
I didn't know whether to believe that or not, still don't, but I don't care as pretty much all of my games are in English and I prefer them that way.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 06, 2008, 07:06:00 PM
I can't make any recommendations that others haven't already made, so I'll just wish you a belated happy birthday instead.
Thanks man.
The port of Strider 1 is fine. Funny you picked it up,I picked up the import version of Strider 1&2 myself the other day too off ebay for around $25.00.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 06, 2008, 07:11:55 PM
I found the game, it's called INTERNAL SECTION. It does the same thing as Vib Ribbon, it's just a little more interesting visually:
Here's a video:
Here's the NFG screenshot gallery:
http://nfggames.com/games/is/ http://nfggames.com/games/is/index2.htm < pics are on this page
Here's a more formal review:
http://www.ex.org/4.4/46-game_is.html
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 06, 2008, 07:25:55 PM
Internal Selection is ok, it plays like a weaker version of tempest. I was thinking of suggesting it, but I didn't know if it was good enough, especially because it has very weak 3-d graphics and nat didn't want 3-d games. I do consider it a good game though all of that said lol. If you buy the Japanese Chocobo's Dungeon II, you get several levels of IS you can play on the demo disc.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 06, 2008, 07:29:25 PM
Well then nat should stick to CD-i now shouldn't he! :lol:
If theres one thing you shouldn't do, that would be buying Forsaken for PS1. That game was waaaaay overhyped and overrated, and at the end of the day it's the shittiest Descent clone money can buy.
Stick with the original DOS Descent.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 06, 2008, 07:32:08 PM
Descent is one of the only PSX games though that supports multiplayer with linked consoles though. I remember playing it a long time ago at my friend's house on two TVs. I don't know if the PS-one can link though or not.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 06, 2008, 07:43:38 PM
I don't know if the PS-one can link though or not.
No, unfortunately it can't. :(
Oh yeah, you need to pick up Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown. It's just like Duke 3D for PC and it has 2 new episodes, and also the music is by Mark Knight! HE RULES.
Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown has the BEST version of E1M1 "Stalker" EVER. And I will defend that to the grave.
But why don't you compare for yourself?
Stalker, from the original PC DN3D (http://home.swipnet.se/~w-52273/midi/spel/Duke Nukem 3d/STALKER.MID) http://www.gamesounds.co.uk/audio/dnukem/mk_dnukem_stalker1.mp3
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: guyjin on January 06, 2008, 07:44:08 PM
I found the game, it's called INTERNAL SECTION. It does the same thing as Vib Ribbon, it's just a little more interesting visually:
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeZYb1dOSSg
Reminds me a lot of Gyruss.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 06, 2008, 07:57:02 PM
It might be 3-D, but Tenchu is very good also. It's a ninja stealth and killing game. Very fun.
You've bought a copy of Einhander by now, right? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: SNKNostalgia on January 06, 2008, 11:41:14 PM
For 2D RPGs: Suikoden 1 and 2 (especially 2), Lunar 1 and 2, Arc the Lad Collection (mainly part 1 and 2), Valkrye Profile and Alundra.
As for 3D RPGs: pick up Xenogears (is in full 3D but done in a 2D like quality), Final Fantasy 7 (which I still think is great), Final Fantasy Tacitics (uses 2D sprites so resembles more of a 2D game, great strategy game), and Second Story Star Ocean.
Some good Action type games: Dino Crisis 2 (very fun game), Parasite Eve 2, Brave Fencer Musashi, and Resident Evil 2. All but Musashi which is 3D, have 2D BG with 3D characters.
***Definitely give Metal Gear a chance, did you at least get to watch someone play through a good amount of the game? It really is fun when you get into it. Might be better off getting the Game Cube remake if PS1 polygons really bother you that much.***
Some good Shooters: Philosoma (kinda neat with different angles on stages), Einhander, In the Hunt, and Raystorm.
Also try this light gun game Elemental Gearbolt from Working Designs. Of course some great titles period is Castelvania Symphony of the night (I personally like the JAP Dracula X version better. All the Street Fighter Alpha games are good. Tobal 2 is my favorite import made only title I have.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 06, 2008, 11:48:14 PM
Dino Crisis 2 has to be one of the most fun and most visually impressive games on the system. Final Fantasy Tactics is basically an Ogre Tactics game with Final Fantasy themes :clap: You can hardly go wrong with either game.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nodtveidt on January 07, 2008, 12:59:23 AM
I would recommend against the PS1 versions of the Lunar games. If you've played the real versions (the original Sega CD versions) then the PS1 versions will feel cheap because of how fundamentally broken they are. The developers thought they were clever, but ended up destroying the gameplay. Neither are all that fun when compared to the originals. In Lunar 1, it's virtually impossible to gain a strength advantage since the bosses level-scale with you (this is CHEATING), and in Lunar 2, the enemies are horribly unbalanced (it is not uncommon to get killed with FULL HEALTH with a SINGLE ENEMY ATTACK within the first few battles of the game...complete bullshit). I didn't play the second one long enough to even get into it as the bullshit factor made me take it right back to the store. I still own the first one though, but probably only because the cover art has a shot of Althena's butt. :D In any event, if the terrible gameplay doesn't drive you nuts, the badly used samples WILL drive you nuts; Nash constantly saying "Check this out!" always made me want to drive an ice pick through the TV.
I can't really recommend any good 2D games since I don't think I own any (yes, I own Lunar, but I said GOOD 2D games). However, if you're looking for a pretty decent RPG, I recommend Parasite Eve. It's 3D but just barely (in sort of an early Resident Evil kind of way). But the game is pretty fun, or at least I think so. Hard to explain combat in the game; it's real-time in the sense that you can move around and dodge enemy attacks, but attacking is turn-based using a timer (AT, or Active Time). Your AT bar refills at various speeds depending on the weapon you're using (I prefer handguns since they're quite fast). The storyline is really weird, very sci-fi-ish, which I normally don't like but here it works. It's a nifty little modern-day RPG (set in 1997 in NYC) but it can be hard to find.
Of course, if you do driving games, pick up any Twisted Metal. User opinion is split about the "best version", some preferring the SingleTrac versions and some preferring the 989 Studios version. I personally prefer the latter (TM3 in particular, TM4 feels slightly uninspired); their versions were much nicer...looked better, controlled better, played better overall. TM2 is ultra-cheap and is the only stain on the PS1's Twisted Metal franchise.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: runinruder on January 07, 2008, 02:13:01 AM
Thunder Force V is ugly, but it's still a very good shooter.
The only other games for Playstation that I really like are RPGs: Star Ocean 2, Final Fantasy VII, Alundra, Parasite Eve, Grandia, Legend of Legaia, and a few others.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 07, 2008, 04:48:50 AM
It might be 3-D, but Tenchu is very good also. It's a ninja stealth and killing game. Very fun.
You've bought a copy of Einhander by now, right? :mrgreen:
Not yet.
I bought five or so PS1 games off of a single eBay seller last night for like $57-$60 combined. I always try to do this when I am forced to buy on eBay so at least I can get combined shipping and don't end up adding $5-$10 to every game from different sellers. They didn't have Einhander. :(
I'll get it real soon though.
Thanks everyone for the further recommendations-- I think I have plenty to keep myself busy for a while now.
Also, thanks nod for the warning about the Lunar games as I would eventually have picked them up (still might). Although, one of my buddies already owns them so I might just borrow them and see how I feel before I decide whether or not to bother buying them.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 07, 2008, 06:18:34 AM
Oh dude, you need to pick up this cool turnbased RPG callled Eternal Eyes. It's kinda like Pokemon, and it has awesome 2D art and great music.
The intro was the first thing I ever uploaded to Youtube:
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 07, 2008, 06:39:17 AM
Thanks, I don't have Flash here at work, so I'll have to check it out when I get home.
Also, has anyone here played Jade Coccoon or Vanguard Bandits?
I got those games as gifts. I think Vanguard is a Working Designs localization, developed by HUMAN. It looks like a turn-based RPG along the lines of Warsong. It also looks to be polgyon-free from the screenshots on the back of the case.
Anyone know if these are any good?
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 07, 2008, 07:16:08 AM
Thanks, I don't have Flash here at work, so I'll have to check it out when I get home.
Also, has anyone here played Jade Coccoon or Vanguard Bandits?
I got those games as gifts. I think Vanguard is a Working Designs localization, developed by HUMAN. It looks like a turn-based RPG along the lines of Warsong. It also looks to be polgyon-free from the screenshots on the back of the case.
Anyone know if these are any good?
Also consider Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure, I don't think that has polygons...
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: bust3dstr8 on January 07, 2008, 07:35:56 AM
You should be able to get MSX dirt cheap since anthology is out.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 07, 2008, 09:33:52 AM
Some good Shooters: Philosoma (kinda neat with different angles on stages), Einhander, In the Hunt, and Raystorm.
Speaking of Philosoma,my import copy of it arrived today,complete with sticker sheet. I played it for a bit,def one of the impressive titles for the system for 1995. Now if I could just hunt down that crappy game I used to have, Twin Goddesses.....
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 07, 2008, 11:50:55 AM
Thanks, I don't have Flash here at work, so I'll have to check it out when I get home.
Also, has anyone here played Jade Coccoon or Vanguard Bandits?
Jade Caccoon is fine, but it is more like one of those: I've played every other PSX RPG out there, so I might as well play this one kind of games imo. The pre-rendered backgrounds do look superb, but the monster system is very easly breakable once you understand it. Some of my monsters were just insane and totally game breaking as they hardly would ever take damage and would deal enough to kill mobs in 1 hit.
A few words on Rhapsody as too: I think it is a fun RPG with many interesting characters to find. However the main character is simply insane. Her "magical ability" is to be able to talk to hand puppets. In this world that isn't an ability I would go talking about too much if I were to be a future leader of a country. The special attacks like dropping stacks of pancakes on the enemy are quirky but fit the overall feeling of the game. The game also includes Japanese singing if you do not want to laugh your way though the english dub songs.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: SNKNostalgia on January 07, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
I still think Suikoden 1 and 2 are just really damn great. The many characters to collect, great 2D, awesome music, the castle/fort getting bigger and a bad ass story line (Suikoden 2 really is the one out of the two that polishes on all this). I never bought 3, 4, and 5 though.
I still have yet to play all the way through Legend of Dragoon, Vagrant Story (fighting system gets on my nerves though), Legend of Legaia, Vandal Hearts 2, Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana, Front Mission 3 and Second Story Star Ocean. A lot of this has to do with the big RPG boom of 1998-2000. There was a long ass RPG game coming out every 2 months for 2 years straight. So I got way too ADD with picking up one, then putting it down to play another and so on. Where was this in 1995-1997? Then the PS2 came out and I just didn't get anywhere on those. I just recently started playing some of them again with intentions to finish now.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 12, 2008, 11:00:34 AM
So, how goes your PSX gathering mission Nat?
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 12, 2008, 01:20:32 PM
So far I have only picked up the following, all the very first day I got it:
R-Types R-Type Delta Strider Strider 2 Final Fantasy Anthology
I haven't yet had a chance to compile a list based off of the recommendations here yet. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. I want to hold off buying any more until I get that list in order.
Those were actually the last games I bought in general because my wife bought me a 32" HDTV widescreen for my birthday. We've put that out in the living room, and in my spare time I've been moving all the consoles (except the Wii) that used to live in the living room into an extra room that is going to be a designated game room, along with the old 29" CRT SDTV that has a beautiful picture for old school gaming.
This whole process is turning out to be much more involved than it sounds because I'm finding I need to buy lots of new furniture to make this new room fit my vision. Not to mention cables, SVIDEO switcher, etc. At some point I need to pick up an HD-DVD player too because I'm finding out my old DVD player doesn't look too hot on the HD. I'd like to pick up a hybrid Bluray/HD-DVD player since it's still unclear which format is going to become standard but they are just so damn pricey. Add the fact that I already own some HD-DVDs and zero Bluray discs, I might just have to settle for the HD-DVD player.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Black Tiger on January 12, 2008, 01:28:51 PM
I'd like to pick up a hybrid Bluray/HD-DVD player since it's still unclear which format is going to become standard but they are just so damn pricey. Add the fact that I already own some HD-DVDs and zero Bluray discs, I might just have to settle for the HD-DVD player.
I don't claim to be an expert, but HD-DVD has lost a lot of wind from its sails recently. I'd hold out for a bit longer :).
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: GUTS on January 12, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
I think Blu Ray by far has the upper hand now, which is good since I own a PS3 and that way I don't have to buy a separate player.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 12, 2008, 06:41:46 PM
I agree with the few others who have posted. HD-DVD has been a dying format and I think it will continue to die. I suggest you play your HD-DVDs in normal DVD mode in a DVD player and consider getting a blu-ray in the future (or whatever else might come out).
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 12, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
So you guys think I shouldn't even bother with a hybrid player at this point? I guess that's not so bad since they are so f*cking expensive.
Maybe I'll just buy a PS3 and use it as a Bluray player.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 12, 2008, 07:31:49 PM
The thing about this debate is:
1. They're both about the same in quality and have nearly the same movies.
2. The PS3 is not only the best Blu-Ray player out there, but it is contained in the console, unlike the 360's external HD-DVD drive.
3. But I don't want to use my console to play DVDs, because that will KILL the console over time.
4. This is the f*cking worst debate ever.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 12, 2008, 07:35:35 PM
If I bought a PS3 as a Bluray player, I would most likely use it exclusively as such.
If there came a day when a totally killer omg must-own game came out for the PS3, I might buy it and even be able to play it as an added bonus.
And the PS3 is going to be ultra friendly soon to transfer blu-ray movies to the PSP with 1.0 discs (2.0 discs have a PSP formatted movie already on them). You could also play around with remote play between the psp and ps3. Just don't get a PS3 for the games...sure it will have a few gems before it is replaced by the PS4, but I honestly don't know of 1 game for the PS3 which I would call a "must have" yet.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 12, 2008, 07:55:02 PM
Just don't get a PS3 for the games...sure it will have a few gems before it is replaced by the PS4, but I honestly don't know of 1 game for the PS3 which I would call a "must have" yet.
Don't worry.... The only reason I would buy one at this stage is for the Bluray compatibility. Beyond that I have no motivation whatsoever to even think about it.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 12, 2008, 07:59:07 PM
sure it will have a few gems before it is replaced by the PS4, but I honestly don't know of 1 game for the PS3 which I would call a "must have" yet.
I actually know of a couple, but they went to 360! http://www.geocities.com/kitsunedarkstalker/wahwah.mp3 :lol:
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: SNKNostalgia on January 13, 2008, 03:22:32 AM
It is funny how the Bluray format will change over time which makes buying a stand alone player kinda crappy right now. With the PS3 you can download updates to do this. Nice alternative sales pitch for Sony..... Anyways, a lot of movie companies are veering away from HD-DVD exclusives. I really think Sony might make it on this format war. Sure, Beta Max was better in someways, but VHS won that one. Then there is compact disc, LaserDisc, VCD etc.... I reallly hate this bullshit. It is really a pissing contest on formats, even though they have been trying to do all this with certain Motion Picture Companies for one or the other. It just isn't really practical for the typical consumers who still don't mind watching standard DVDs.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 13, 2008, 06:04:44 AM
I had no problem with regular DVD until I got this HD set. Now the limitations of the format are very apparent. The lower resolution and film grain from the standard DVD are very noticeable on the HD. Maybe my standard DVD player just sucks balls (which is possible, it's a good few years old), but either way if I'm going to get a new player I might as well get one to support the new format.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 13, 2008, 07:18:16 AM
I have a pretty mediocre SD television and I have no trouble seeing flaws in DVDs. DVD just sucks.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 13, 2008, 11:06:23 AM
I had no problem with regular DVD until I got this HD set. Now the limitations of the format are very apparent. The lower resolution and film grain from the standard DVD are very noticeable on the HD. Maybe my standard DVD player just sucks balls (which is possible, it's a good few years old), but either way if I'm going to get a new player I might as well get one to support the new format.
Here's the problem with HD-DVD it isn't the new format, it is a fleeting format. I believe you would be better off spending your money on a DVD player with good image processing than to spend your money into a HD-DVD player where your money is going to this option rather than into the real nuts and bolts of the system. And a copy of Einhander. You need a copy of Einhander if you want to survive this format war.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Keranu on January 13, 2008, 11:11:03 AM
Ever since I got a laserdisc player, I have no intention of buying any new movie formats :P .
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nodtveidt on January 13, 2008, 11:35:09 AM
I don't support either new format but I still have a very strong sense that HD-DVD will come out on top. In the meantime, I'm perfectly happy with my good ole regular DVDs and my nice normal television, playing movies with my PS2.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: MissaFX on January 13, 2008, 12:13:18 PM
I don't support either new format but I still have a very strong sense that HD-DVD will come out on top.
Huh? All I ever hear about HD-DVD is the "lastest studio which has abandoned it" type of news. While blu-ray keeps adding studios. Don't only 2 major studios now only make HD-DVD discs?
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 13, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
It's kind of funny because I heard exactly the opposite. I think it's the he-said, she-said fanboysism running rampant again.
As far as I'm concerned, normal DVDs are fine.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nodtveidt on January 13, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
Missa: that's just fanboyism run amok. Most studios who support the newer formats use HD-DVD because it costs less to produce discs that way. Only the really big studios support Bluray (Disney, for one) and only because they can afford it (some are hoping to ride the waves of the PS3...no one ever said that movie studios understood video game trends, and it's clear by this example that they don't). If you want to talk market share, then Bluray is currently in the lead with 70% market penetration, but this is due to the studios that support it being much larger. If you want to talk about the number of studios that support one side or the other, HD-DVD wins by about 6 to 1, but that doesn't have much effect on the number of releases available. Also, adult entertainment got a huge head start with HD-DVD (due to early lack of support by Bluray manufacturers), which has about 95% of that market...that's a very dominating slice of the pie (pun unintentional). Of course, neither format holds a candle to the existing DVD format and won't for some time to come. It's still too early to tell who will come out on top, but it seems the companies with the big bucks are pouring as much advertising as possible into Bluray promotions and it's starting to have an effect on the sheep. If the current advertising swarm keeps up, Bluray will probably win, much like VHS won over Betamax all those years ago. But the pricing is still going to have an impact; 20 years ago, Bluray might have won easily, but in our current Walmart-mentality society, people want things as cheap as possible and are going to take the less expensive route. HD-DVD is cheaper and likely always will be. So, with advantages and disadvantages on both sides of the fence, this is a war that's going to last a very long time.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: ceti alpha on January 13, 2008, 04:01:43 PM
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Missa: that's just fanboyism run amok. Most studios who support the newer formats use HD-DVD because it costs less to produce discs that way. Only the really big studios support Bluray (Disney, for one) and only because they can afford it (some are hoping to ride the waves of the PS3...no one ever said that movie studios understood video game trends, and it's clear by this example that they don't). If you want to talk market share, then Bluray is currently in the lead with 70% market penetration, but this is due to the studios that support it being much larger. If you want to talk about the number of studios that support one side or the other, HD-DVD wins by about 6 to 1, but that doesn't have much effect on the number of releases available. Also, adult entertainment got a huge head start with HD-DVD (due to early lack of support by Bluray manufacturers), which has about 95% of that market...that's a very dominating slice of the pie (pun unintentional). Of course, neither format holds a candle to the existing DVD format and won't for some time to come. It's still too early to tell who will come out on top, but it seems the companies with the big bucks are pouring as much advertising as possible into Bluray promotions and it's starting to have an effect on the sheep. If the current advertising swarm keeps up, Bluray will probably win, much like VHS won over Betamax all those years ago. But the pricing is still going to have an impact; 20 years ago, Bluray might have won easily, but in our current Walmart-mentality society, people want things as cheap as possible and are going to take the less expensive route. HD-DVD is cheaper and likely always will be. So, with advantages and disadvantages on both sides of the fence, this is a war that's going to last a very long time.
Finally! lol. An honest to goodness objective view on the ridiculous HD-DVD vs Blu Ray format war. All this madness only hurts the consumer.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: guyjin on January 14, 2008, 02:39:16 AM
Actually, it hurts both formats, since I will not buy one until the war is over.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: ceti alpha on January 14, 2008, 02:51:35 AM
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Actually, it hurts both formats, since I will not buy one until the war is over.
Indeed. Nor will I be buying.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 14, 2008, 03:03:15 AM
This is why ideally I'd like a dual-format player. That way, I'll be covered regardless of what happens.
Too bad an anal raping comes free with every purchase.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: ceti alpha on January 14, 2008, 03:09:09 AM
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This is why ideally I'd like a dual-format player. That way, I'll be covered regardless of what happens.
Too bad an anal raping comes free with every purchase.
Haha! The anal raping isn't fair. [-(
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: guyjin on January 14, 2008, 03:13:13 AM
This is why ideally I'd like a dual-format player. That way, I'll be covered regardless of what happens.
Too bad an anal raping comes free with every purchase.
Well, you have to think of it from the manufacturer's point of view. There are probably redundant components in both that can't be shared, since they work in different ways. You're paying them for 2 players crammed into one case.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Necromancer on January 14, 2008, 03:29:52 AM
This is why ideally I'd like a dual-format player. That way, I'll be covered regardless of what happens.
Too bad an anal raping comes free with every purchase.
Except for computer drives, oddly enough. LG sells a combo drive that can read HD-DVD and can read/write Blu-Ray, DVD, and CD; all for only $300. Not a bad price for such a versatile drive, especially considering it's one of the first of its type; the only problem being that manufacturer's will decide to charge an extra $500 to put it in a pretty box to put next to your television.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: guyjin on January 14, 2008, 03:42:05 AM
Getting raw data onto/off of a disc is one thing; turning it into pretty, hi-def video is quite another.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Necromancer on January 14, 2008, 04:06:37 AM
It's every single copy unfortunately as far as I know.
Truth. :(
I tried it out last night and it is indeed Strider 2. The crappy part is that I bought it as a loose disc described as the 'bonus disc containing the arcade original' that was supposed to have been 'tested'. :(
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 15, 2008, 07:17:31 AM
It's every single copy unfortunately as far as I know.
Truth. :(
I tried it out last night and it is indeed Strider 2. The crappy part is that I bought it as a loose disc described as the 'bonus disc containing the arcade original' that was supposed to have been 'tested'. :(
If you don't want it, I might buy it from you, depending on how much you'd sell it for + shipping. PM me! ^_^
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 27, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
I need a memory card for my PS. Anyone got an extra they want to sell me?
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nodtveidt on January 27, 2008, 10:53:37 PM
I might have a spare one kicking around somewhere.
Title: Re: Playstation recommendations
Post by: nat on January 28, 2008, 06:48:41 AM
Let me know if you find it and what you want for it.