"Why I Dislike The N64", or "What is the Deal With the N64?"

[Arkhan]

Anyone who hasn't heard someone say Mario 64 sucked must not be trying very hard.

[vexcollects]

That's true, I have never put a ton of effort into getting someone to admit the terrible nature of Mario 64.

Might be an interesting experiment. Find someone who really loves Mario 64, lock them in a small room and tie them to a chair. Then play nothing but the same ABBA album over and over with a sample of the voice of Mario spliced in at equal intervals of 17 seconds. "It's a me, Mario!" Make them resort to eating nothing but the MacDonald's fillet o fish and only provide them with flat, diet Mello Yellow for refreshment. All the while peppering the room with vomit inducing quantities of Axe body spray (so something like 2 squirts). See how long they last to the question, "Do you like Mario 64"? Every time they say yes, blast them with three hours of an unedited (for maximum terribleness) Russell Peters comedy special.

They won't last a week.

[BlueBMW]

Challenge accepted!  But only if I get carbonated regular coke instead of flat mello yellow

[vexcollects]

Challenge accepted!  But only if I get carbonated regular coke instead of flat mello yellow

DENIED! On top of the three hour Russell Peter's comedy special you must now watch the entire first season of whatever sitcom Rod Schneider was last on. Enjoy.

[vestcoat]

N64 wasn't a particularly good console, but it did some things well and was an important evolutionary step, raising the bar for racing games, true 3D games, multiplayer games, and consolized first-person shooters.

I don't like the N64 overall, but it's better than all of the shit that's come out since and it's aged better than the shit-grey skidmark that is the Playstation.

The N64 is a nice final chapter for my interest in video games. It's as high on the technology curve as I care to go. It has a few weird RPG mixed genre games I like. It fulfills my racing and FPS needs that 8- and 16-bit consoles never satisfied and it has some party games that my friends will still play.

[BlueBMW]

Challenge accepted!  But only if I get carbonated regular coke instead of flat mello yellow

DENIED! On top of the three hour Russell Peter's comedy special you must now watch the entire first season of whatever sitcom Rod Schneider was last on. Enjoy.

Well shoot...

And well said vestcoat.  I agree the PS1 on the whole has not aged well... some of that early 3d stuff on the PS1 looks truly awful nowadays even on a proper low res CRT.

[Arkhan]

Challenge accepted!  But only if I get carbonated regular coke instead of flat mello yellow

DENIED! On top of the three hour Russell Peter's comedy special you must now watch the entire first season of whatever sitcom Rod Schneider was last on. Enjoy.

Well shoot...

And well said vestcoat.  I agree the PS1 on the whole has not aged well... some of that early 3d stuff on the PS1 looks truly awful nowadays even on a proper low res CRT.

The PS1 3D may look stupid now, but the games still play good.

Tenchu, Metal Gear Solid, Jumping Flash 2, Ghost in the Shell, the Tomb raider games.... 

I recently pulled it out and started playing it again and it is still as fun as it was at the time.




My problem with Mario 64 is that it plays like crap.   It pulled the same shit as Zelda when it went 3D.    I am one of those people that plays Mario games dashing the entire time like it's a Sonic game.

Like, I was speed running Mario on accident as a kid.

Mario 64 is all slowtard autism mode, with crap cameras and a radically different pace.


Now, Super Mario 3D world on Wii U.   There's correctness.

[munchiaz]

N64 wasn't a particularly good console, but it did some things well and was an important evolutionary step, raising the bar for racing games, true 3D games, multiplayer games, and consolized first-person shooters.

I don't like the N64 overall, but it's better than all of the shit that's come out since and it's aged better than the shit-grey skidmark that is the Playstation.

The N64 is a nice final chapter for my interest in video games. It's as high on the technology curve as I care to go. It has a few weird RPG mixed genre games I like. It fulfills my racing and FPS needs that 8- and 16-bit consoles never satisfied and it has some party games that my friends will still play.

I think the ps1 has a great list of RPGs and fighters. Saturn has many of these games as well, and many being better, but to many of them stayed in Japan. So for me as a middle school/high school kid getting into JRPGs, the playstation was a must

[Punch]

I think that most of the early 3D games aside from experimental crap do play well nowadays, it's just that not many games have a "modern" controller setup. I always like to quote this gamespot review of a 2000 PS1 game, Alien Ressurrection, to illustrate the difference between our mindset in the 90's and how we perceive "normal" controls now:

"The game's control setup is its most terrifying element. The left analog stick moves you forward, back, and strafes right and left, while the right analog stick turns you and can be used to look up and down. Too often, you'll turn to face a foe and find that your weapon is aimed at the floor or ceiling while the alien gleefully hacks away at your midsection. Add to the mix a few other head scratchers - such as how the triangle button controls item and health use - and you'll be wondering how Sony let this get by without requesting a few different control configuration options."

And saying that early Sat/PS1/N64 games looks like crap is dumb. Like saying Atari2600 graphics are lame, well no shit.

[Arkhan]

Some PS1 games literally do look like shit, and they looked like shit at the time too lol.

[Necromancer]

And saying that early Sat/PS1/N64 games looks like crap is dumb. Like saying Atari2600 graphics are lame, well no shit.

Many of that generation's games look like crap because of poor design and/or bad artwork, having nothing to do with primitive 3D capabilities.

[vexcollects]

Maybe it's like the difference between the old star wars movies and the newer ones (1,2,3). There is a an elegance in the old effects of 4,5,6, but looking back at 1,2,3 they were able to use CG, but it wasn't there yet. I know when I watch the original trilogy (without the Lucas added stuff) those affects are still interesting to me, like the 2d generation of game graphics. However, when I watch the newer Star Wars trilogy, I really dislike the CG, like I dislike early 3d games on the N64 or the PS1. Like I said before though, I can't argue the subtleties between graphic qualities of early 3d games. That's a complicated argument.

[slinkyturd]

It is a dated system but like Citizen Kane I believe context needs to be considered. At its time Sony was shitting out a hundred terrible games for every one good one on their Playstation. I thought at the time that the N64 was the exact opposite of that equation. It was rare to come up with a bad title on that console. I think, all things considered, It would be easy to consider N64 to be in the top 10 consoles all time and possibly in my top 5. Here's my list of games I can still enjoy:

Army Men Sarg's Heroes
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tootie
Battletanx: Global Assault
Clayfighters 63 1/3
Gauntlet Legends
Gex
Goldeneye
Indiana Jones Infernal Machine
Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 1-3
Mortal Kombat 4 (disasterously underrated)
NFL Blitz (all three of them)
Perfect Dark
Rampage
Resident Evil 2
Star Fox 64
Star Wars Shadows of the Empire
Super Smash Bros.
Tony Hawk (1, 2, or 3 but not all of them. They are all the same game really, and I only have the patience for about one game's worth of time.)
Turok (all 4 of them. Yes, even Rage Wars)
WCW World Tour and Revenge
World is not Enough 64
Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask

[Bernie]

It is a dated system but like Citizen Kane I believe context needs to be considered. At its time Sony was shitting out a hundred terrible games for every one good one on their Playstation. I thought at the time that the N64 was the exact opposite of that equation. It was rare to come up with a bad title on that console. I think, all things considered, It would be easy to consider N64 to be in the top 10 consoles all time and possibly in my top 5. Here's my list of games I can still enjoy:

Army Men Sarg's Heroes
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tootie
Battletanx: Global Assault
Clayfighters 63 1/3
Gauntlet Legends
Gex
Goldeneye
Indiana Jones Infernal Machine
Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 1-3
Mortal Kombat 4 (disasterously underrated)
NFL Blitz (all three of them)
Perfect Dark
Rampage
Resident Evil 2
Star Fox 64
Star Wars Shadows of the Empire
Super Smash Bros.
Tony Hawk (1, 2, or 3 but not all of them. They are all the same game really, and I only have the patience for about one game's worth of time.)
Turok (all 4 of them. Yes, even Rage Wars)
WCW World Tour and Revenge
World is not Enough 64
Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask

Seconded!!!

[Arkhan]

The list leaves out Mischief Makers and Jet Force Gemini.   Automatically fail.