Do you like the 32X?

[esadajr]

Hell no (and I consider myself a Sega fan). It has to be one of the dumbest ideas for an add on. Sure it has some good exclusives but no "system sellers".

[Black Tiger]

Hell no (and I consider myself a Sega fan). It has to be one of the dumbest ideas for an add on. Sure it has some good exclusives but no "system sellers".

Do you like the Arcade Card?

[Punch]

I mean the 32X is nice and all but it is kind of pointless, since the goal was to actually give genesis owners a cheap way to enter the "32 bit era" instead of getting a saturn. It had kind of poor support so the goal was not really attained.

The Arcade card was just "PLAY AKEDO GEMU ON YOUR 1987 HARDWARE!!!", it didn't promise much beyond that.

Or maybe I'm relying too much on semantics and both are pointless.

[MrBroadway]

I mean the 32X is nice and all but it is kind of pointless, since the goal was to actually give genesis owners a cheap way to enter the "32 bit era" instead of getting a saturn. It had kind of poor support so the goal was not really attained.

The Arcade card was just "PLAY AKEDO GEMU ON YOUR 1987 HARDWARE!!!", it didn't promise much beyond that.

Or maybe I'm relying too much on semantics and both are pointless.

If the Arcade card was as large as the 32X and needed its own plug, I would also not own one.

Edit: On the other hand, Sapphire...

[Black Tiger]

The thread isn't asking "how good of a business decision was the 32X for Sega?" Most people are dismissing it while still complimenting its games. This isn't 1994, the 32X isn't $160 and we have quality flashcarts now. Never mind how cheap a Genesis system is.

The 32X has like 40+ games, including some near arcade perfect ports of a couple timeless classics.

The arcade card has like a dozen games total, including impressive ports of a few impressive games.

[esteban]

TRUTH: If you like one game on 32X, then you like the 32X.

[MrBroadway]

TRUTH: If you like one game on 32X, then you like the 32X.

TRUTH: If you like one thing Donald Trump has said, you like Donald Trump.

Let's dispel with this fiction that the 32X is good. 

[Necromancer]

The same tired, narrow, bullshit argument: system x must have y number of great games to be considered good, and they must be exclusives because ports don't count no matter how fun they are. 

[Black Tiger]

TRUTH: If you like one game on 32X, then you like the 32X.

TRUTH: If you like one thing Donald Trump has said, you like Donald Trump.

Let's dispel with this fiction that the 32X is good. 

Why does a console have to be "good" independent of its games?

[SignOfZeta]

I see Tigers point. Sega is dead now, this thing probably killed it, but if you can actually stand to be in the same room with the dumb piece of crap that murdered your favorite game company just to play a half dozen games...do so, I guess, but I don't have one. I'd rather have a picture of Bernie Stolar on the wall because at least then I can throw darts at it.

The comparison to the AC is way off though. While they both didn't make a lot of sense (and the 32X certainly has more good games than the AC) the AC wasn't half again another game system moronically shoved into a PCE. It was just another System Card in a pretty long line of them. It didn't change the PCE into a completely different machine.

I would argue SGX is a better comparison. It was a rouge product and an evolutionary dead end. Also, huge and stupid. But really there is no analog I can think of in the history of gaming for the idiotic f*ckup that it's the 32X and it's hard to think of anything less interesting aside from modern stuff.

[Black Tiger]

I see Tigers point. Sega is dead now, this thing probably killed it, but if you can actually stand to be in the same room with the dumb piece of crap that murdered your favorite game company just to play a half dozen games...do so, I guess, but I don't have one. I'd rather have a picture of Bernie Stolar on the wall because at least then I can throw darts at it.

The comparison to the AC is way off though. While they both didn't make a lot of sense (and the 32X certainly has more good games than the AC) the AC wasn't half again another game system moronically shoved into a PCE. It was just another System Card in a pretty long line of them. It didn't change the PCE into a completely different machine.

I would argue SGX is a better comparison. It was a rouge product and an evolutionary dead end. Also, huge and stupid. But really there is no analog I can think of in the history of gaming for the idiotic f*ckup that it's the 32X and it's hard to think of anything less interesting aside from modern stuff.

This is exactly what I"m talking about. The notion the software is the least important part about games.

The Arcade Card and 32X libraries both often get dismissed as having some nice ports that are available elsewhere and a couple nice exclusives. That's not way off, that's how people who can actually look at the games, but claim to only be interested in exclusives, sum them up.

If politics and hardware technicalities are more important than actual games, then games are a minor hobby for you by comparison.

[TDIRunner]

The 32x alone did not kill Sega.  It may have had a hand in it, but even if the 32x had not existed, Sega would have still killed themselves with all of the other terrible decisions they made during that time. 

[Bloufo]

No add-ons. Screw the add-ons. Sega CD included. Don't hemorrhage money and fracture your user base with "interim" shit.

Go from the Genesis to the Saturn, but realize that the ol' Genesis still has decent staying power. Keep it going for a few more years. Have enough inventory to meet demand for it.

Know what your way forward is, what the market wants for your next system. Focus on 3D. Shoehorning it into whatever it is you had already designed, and 11th hour compensation affected by what your opposition is doing, ain't gonna cut it.

Get your NA and Japanese divisions to work for the benefit of both and Sega as a whole, not the opposite.

[TDIRunner]

Focus on 3D. Shoehorning it into whatever it is you had already designed, and 11th hour compensation affected by what your opposition is doing, ain't gonna cut it.

Unfortunately, that's what they did with the Saturn too.  It was a 2D powerhouse with 3D added at the last second.  And because Sega didn't think that Americans wanted 2D games, they left most of the good ones over in Japan.  To me, those issues were more damaging than anything caused by the 32x. 

[MrBroadway]

The same tired, narrow, bullshit argument: system x must have y number of great games to be considered good, and they must be exclusives because ports don't count no matter how fun they are. 

If only were were all so lucky to have a place large enough to own 10 different versions of mediocre games.

You may prefer a bloated collection, but I know I'm not alone in rejecting that.